Josh Moon interview - Good Ol Boyz September 3 2025-09-15

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Unknown_01: Today we're joined by, well, someone I'll introduce by song, popular song with the kids.

Unknown_01: And it goes something like this. On the net, there lived an outlaw who was named Josh Connor Moon.

Unknown_01: Battle hardened from the farms and battle weary from the trunes.

Unknown_01: Yet he fought to see footage of the moments cops attacked when the stranger there among them had a baldo on his sack, a baldo on his sack.

Unknown_01: Very succinct. Very nice. It's a great song. New remakes out about it. I got to start out. I'm sure Lifetime needs to jump on this. A lot of guys, we joke around about Dark Side Phil or something like this or people like this, but the ladies are very, very interested in the Rikada case.

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Unknown_00: It's true. They are. It's true crime, basically. The Rikada Life is now a true crime documentary. it's it's the best i mean it's it's so exciting and i they don't i'm sure they know but you are

Unknown_01: what what's do we have any updates are we any closer to um getting getting the footage or it's a slow going process um so what happened just in broad strokes this is actually the fifth case i'm kind of involved in i warned you that i'm in four four different sorts of litigation this is the fifth so i'm not directly involved in this but my nefarious uh machinations are at work all over this um

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Unknown_00: So what's happened is that effectively the judge permitted my attorney who represented me in Minnesota to access the footage. And we sent people out in person immediately to take notes about the footage. And then as soon as Rakeda became aware that people had access to the footage, his attorney and the district attorney conspired together to inform the judge that nobody should have access to this footage because even though it was submitted into evidence, it was actually withdrawn later. the judge immediately concurred and the same day that the request of the access be restricted they um restricted it within minutes of court opening we actually had somebody going to see the the the footage to take a third pile of notes and she was turned away at the courthouse because the clerk had already been informed that that footage was to be removed um from public access so this happened within hours within minutes in a system that's very very very slow and um The judge wrote his opinion in regards to closing the access to the footage in a way that made it extremely difficult to appeal it because he focused on things that, legalistically speaking, are harder to argue as opposed to the things that are very obvious, such as it's already been made public, so therefore the damage is done. Genies don't go back in bottles. Genies don't go back in bottles is actually a very big legal thing in the US. We don't believe that you can delete something from existence. So it's considered a First Amendment violation. The state of Minnesota has, or the county rather, has filed their opposition to Hardin basically suing the county to get access to the footage. That's the latest update. It was a couple days ago. Right now, Hardin's actually involved in filing an amicus brief at the Supreme Court in support of another thing. So I keep him busy.

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Unknown_02: what what footage are you guys talking about for those of us who are not intimately familiar with the ricada case um earlier was it the middle of last year um ricada who was a respected internet lawyer in the midst of a drunken downfall had his uh home broken into and they found a copious amount of cocaine in plain view of of the entrance of his bedroom and um

Unknown_00: there were there were there was body cam footage but it's minnesota so you have to have either a reason to have access to it you have to be a party involved there has to be like a cop shooting somebody in it or it has to be entered into evidence which they did but now they're pretending that they didn't enter into evidence and for some reason the county is playing along with it i think because it's a it's um a very close-knit rural area of minnesota and they they do each other favors

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Unknown_01: Have you thought about just taking the bar at this point? Yes, I have.

Unknown_00: It's a serious process. I'm a fucking loser. I'm a high school dropout technically. And then I went back to do like an online education thing and I got an associates of arts. So I'd have to do two years of school and then I have to do three years to get a JD. And it's just like, that's a lot. they and they don't jds are for whatever reason one of the only things you can't do online these days so um you would have to actually go in person to a school and it's like you'd have to move near a city that has a law school i want to go to and it's just like you just pay people to do that these days yeah uh you know there's um you know people have different theories about people who control the world there's the uh the jays the quakers there i've heard one one sort of uh uh person do a

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Unknown_01: Uh, or, you know, lizard people, I've heard one, a rather convincing version of this, that, that, uh, that puts the, uh, the trial lawyers union in America as like, um, as like, uh, you know, whatever Zog central headquarters or whatever ruling the world.

Unknown_00: I can ask my attorney what he thinks. I've never heard of the Trial Lawyers Union, but he has, it's very surprising because his initial practice was in the District of Columbia. And I think that he's still somebody who, he's very active in FOIA cases. He believes very strongly in government transparency. So I think in one year in particular, he filed half of all FOIA lawsuits in the entire country by himself. So he has strong opinions about certain things in DC. there's the trial lawyers union control the country question mark he's uh he's working on something right now he likes it when i when i annoy him distract him in the middle of his work watch out he might invoice you you know he's very merciful when i ask him stupid questions at 11 p.m he doesn't invoice me for him okay so and

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Unknown_01: We've, we've hinted at this here, but I do want to go into some, your background as the most persecuted man on earth. Uh, so I don't know what timeframe, let's just, we'll just go three months in the, in the last three months. And you're not someone who just showed up to the internet yesterday. Who, what all has banned you in the last three months in the last three months?

Unknown_00: Um, I mean, I'm already banned from everything. So are you just like, are you just trying to take like a sample, like a soil sample and be like, what could possibly still be banning him in the last three months?

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Unknown_01: Well, I know. Well, I guess let's, let's, let's go to the stripe things. I think that's, that's most pertinent to we've had this.

Unknown_00: I've been unbanned from Stripe. The Stripe banned me years ago, so them unbanning me was actually a recent revelation. I was banned and unbanned by Kraken within two days. I have no explanation for that, but I did get a direct message from the CEO, so I have a vague idea of what happened there, but...

Unknown_01: if people don't know like if before this if we go to the situation before the trump executive order if try if stripe doesn't like you and you're a content creator what what situations that puts you in what options do you have you know

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Unknown_00: OK, before I answer that, let me say that my lawyer responded. He says they do not run the country, but they do run certain states. And Florida in particular is a really bad state to be against the trial lawyers union. So there you go. It's a state by state thing. I am a Floridian, so that's probably why I heard it like that, but go ahead. There you go. He speaks the truth. He speaks truth to power.

Unknown_00: So, sorry, the question was, why does everyone ban me, or what would happen to a streamer if they got banned from Stripe?

Unknown_01: So, like, you know, I don't know what Stripe is. You know, I had heard in the past, like, oh, Visa banned this person. Wow, now that makes things difficult. Now they're going to be using Bitcoin or whatever.

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Unknown_01: I was sort of reading about this thing, and I didn't realize, like, the tendrils of this whatever this random website that that was so powerful uh yes it's difficult to explain and it's difficult to understand and i firmly believe that is by design um the financial system that we use to buy and sell things in the united states is extraordinarily opaque it is completely controlled by private enterprise

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Unknown_00: you have no right to know anything that's happening. You have no right to access it. So like in Europe, they have the IBAN system. So, um, you register with your bank, your bank has an IBAN number, uh, Or rather, it has a different number. You have an IBAN number that includes information about your bank. But when you transfer money, it goes directly through the European Central Bank through the IBAN system. And it's a bank-to-bank instantaneous process of transfer. And it's sort of like ACH in the United States, but it's different and better in certain ways. In the United States, it's very different. and we may think that we have many banks in this country and they can do business with each other but the truth is is that many small banks um they have to do business with bigger banks for almost everything whether it's issuing 30-year mortgages they have to have larger banks that they they do business with but in terms of dealing with credit cards the credit card system is pure pure evil and the number of steps between swiping a card and the merchant receiving that can be seven different steps there can be a company that handles the card swipe that's called a payment gateway there can be a company that handles passing the card swipe data to the payment facilitator or acquiring banks. And then there's two different acquiring banks. And those acquiring banks are very large companies like JP Morgan Chase or Wells Fargo. They maintain a relationship with Visa Card, MasterCard and Discover Card and American Express. And it's like, if you have an issue anywhere in that system, you're gone instantly and you'll never be told why you'll never be given a chance to fix the issue um and you don't have any right to know so if for instance discover card says that we don't like his content and they inform their under acquiring bank that they don't want to um underwrite your account anymore, then what will happen is that Stripe, for instance, if you're using Stripe as a payment facilitator, will tell you you violated their terms of service. And you'll ask, what terms of service did I violate? And I said, please read section 10 prohibited businesses. and it'll be a big long list of things you might scroll through it thinking god what what did i do and then you'll notice that one of those paragraphs says and any business that violates the uh prohibited businesses clauses of our acquiring banks um third-party merchants or payment networks like discover card and so it's like you just you just get told one day you don't get to do business anymore and you have no way of knowing you have no way again you can't fix it you can say like well what am i doing And what they tell you is if you ask that, what they tell you is our fraud and risk management practices are a trade secret of our of our business, because what they're saying is like is like You know, there are people that do credit card fraud, so they're kind of saying, like, if we tell you what we look for in a prohibited business, then we're helping the bad guys cheat the system better. So this is a trade secret. We can't tell you what you're doing. You can't reapply. Our decision is final. Don't bother contacting us. We don't have a phone number and don't bother suing us because this has all been tested in court. We can do whatever the fuck we want.

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Unknown_02: It's like the secret sauce of the banking industry.

Unknown_01: The probably one of the biggest conceptions do you get from, well, I won't editorialize here. So obviously, so you just described a pretty dystopian system, things that we were warned about. Oh, you know, in China, the government owns everything. So if the government hates you, well, you're going to be, you're going to be screwed up. in america well we have this little government so the private businesses will do things but all the private businesses ever care about is the bottom line all they want to do is make money maybe there's a once in a while somebody does something dumb because they whatever one of these these corporate raiders are going to dump the stock or do some manipulation but the business guys only want to make money why would uh why would a billionaire uh ceo Is he a DSP dent? Why would he care about me going to a website to read people make fun of Darkside Phil? Why would they care about this? It's a mystery.

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Unknown_00: What the inner workings in the boardrooms, I can't tell you for certain, but there are a couple of theories. A really good one is that MasterCard, VisaCard, Amex, and Discover, which is owned by Capital One now. So Discover Card is just Capital One. All these are publicly traded companies. And you might remember that during the Bud Light saga, it became very well known that Vanguard and BlackRock buy up stock based off certain things that are not necessarily market indicators, such as DEI and how they score on ESG type things. So there is a theory that they stay... in that realm of trying to not do business with unsavory folk because somehow that would impact their ESG score and therefore that could cost them potentially billions of dollars in an evaluation of Vanguard decides to sell 1%. And by the way, Vanguard and BlackRock and there's a third one, they own 20% of each of those companies all the way through. So it's like if they sell 1% each that that stock tanks by billions of dollars because these are massive companies. So that's theory one. I like that theory.

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Unknown_00: Theory two is that they are working for their bottom line, you see. But what they're doing is trying to save money by not pissing off the government. So you brought up China and how China controls like payments through we pay or whatever um there's the theory that the government in the united states is even scarier and this is one of my favorite things to say is that china will straight up tell you uh look we don't want skeletons in your game that's very scary and it's not very chinese of you so no skeletons no spooky ghosts we don't like those things um and also you can't portray mao zedong in that way or you know what you should probably just drop everything about mao zedong we don't like that and they'll just tell you and they'll give you like which is merciful And when you compare it to this system, it's merciful. They'll talk to you and be like, look, you're fucking up and we don't like that. And if you want to make money in the Chinese market, X, Y, Z, fix it.

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Unknown_00: In the US, it's like, OK, so vaguely we have these guidances on regards to handling reputation and risk management when doing business with a certain individual. I guess this could sort of kind of be considered risky. Why even bother risking it? They're a small client. They only make $200,000 a year or whatever. which you know we take three percent off every transaction and it's not that much it's like you know in their heads they're thinking if we get sued or have to deal with administrative in regards to this client our business attorneys are going to cost 20 times whatever we're making from them so it just doesn't make sense to even bother because the government's not going to come you know be like knock knock oh You're platforming all these hateful bigots and that's against the rules. And by the way, they don't want to do that because then you could theoretically sue. There could be like a thing. So they're just... really scary and they don't want to deal with them theoretically you know they could be in cahoots but theoretically that could be you know the situation and you know the third would just be that they are collaborating because effectively this public private partnership where you have a mandatory system which if you want to get super conspiratorial about it What has happened is that the government has regulated financial services to such a degree, especially after 9-11 with the Patriot Act, that it's impossible to make free market competition to these companies. You're either a multi-billion dollar company already, or either a multi-billion dollar bank already, or you don't get to compete because it could cost. I think I heard a number of ones that it's about $70 million to get licensed to be a card network. uh, in every state. So if you want to do, if you want to make bog beef card or whatever, um, you would have to spend $70 million just getting set up. Um, and that's not even including what it would require to get, you know, to start your own financial institution, um, and put money into that and get licensed for the bank and everyone. It's millions of dollars to do this.

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Unknown_00: And then what happens? Okay. You have bog beef card. Congratulations. You're a, uh, you're a payment network now. you don't do business with anybody. You have to persuade Wells, the same exact banks that are already causing problems. Wells Fargo, Capital One, you know, JP Morgan Chase, the big acquiring and underwriting banks that Stripe does business with anyways. And then it's like, okay, so you're a card network and you managed to persuade all these banks to let blog beef card sit next to MX Discover American Express or MasterCard Visa card. And now you're one of the big four, you're the fifth. well guess what i'm a merchant and i want to sell stuff i still have to use a payment network so i'm still on stripe to process bog beef cart you don't roll out your own payment processor through that the only disruption that we've seen in this industry since the 1970s is payment apps but if you look at the payment apps guess what they're all owned by the same companies um the what are the big ones i think venmo is a big one i think venmo's owned by paypal paypal is the worst of the worst i don't know like they're not even related but they're the worst of the worst so they're somehow you know a circle below mastercard visa card in terms of dealing with them because they're not even like a bank or anything they're just pure evil and they somehow are You can thank Elon Musk for that. The other one is Zelle. Zelle is owned by, I think, First Warning Services. They are a risk management provider. They're the risk. I've been emailed by risk management letting me know that there's some details about my credit report that very concerns them. And as a result, I can't do businesses with certain payment processors. So the first alert Zelle, they own Zelle and so you can't rely on that. And it's like the one app is owned by Capital One or something. It's like every one of these apps that have came in to try and disrupt the credit card scheme, they're more of the same and they're also owned by the same banks. So there's no escaping it. The closest that we ever came was cryptocurrency. And as someone who has handled cryptocurrency for over 10 years, Unfortunately, I'm not a secret billionaire. I've had to spend it to pay for rent. So there was a point where I was selling Bitcoin for less than $100 each. I sold Ethereum at $11 once upon a time because I have to pay for things. in all that time and having been the bank for all that time, I have never managed to persuade even a majority of the users on the Kiwi farms to adopt cryptocurrency and the onboarding process for cryptocurrency has a sleazy thing. So it's like when they have to start showing passports and do the, I don't know if you've tried to register for an exchange now, but you have to like hold up your passport next to your face and smile and then frown and turn your head left and right so they can do biometrics of your face into your cell phone. It's like the creepiest shit. And nobody wants to do that to buy sleazebag coins so that they can spend it on a terrorist tranny killer website. You know, they just it's very deterrent. So I've never managed to get people to to do that.

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Unknown_01: well yeah you mentioned that um you know we're not a bank obviously we you i read that quote that uh stripe gave to you um i won't go into it but um uh if you are interested in the the whole blackrock thing like uh our sponsor is like the biggest warrior against um blackrock will hill but anyways i i have a question about the you were banned from stripe for a long period of time correct

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Unknown_00: Yes. So I'll clarify. I've been banned from Stripe for every business I've ever tried to use them for. And I've been banned from Stripe.

Unknown_00: Oh, this is frustrating to explain. Stripe, big company, many products. Core product is... payment processing. So they'll even give you physical devices so that you can swipe credit cards and stuff in real life, or you can integrate it into a website and process payments that way, many websites do this. So you'll see often checkout with Stripe or whatever checking out that is the core payment processing thing. The one thing they also do that is extraordinarily frustrating to deal with even more so than their bullshit payment processor thing is that they handle payouts for a variety of companies. And you might think these are awesome, cool, all tech websites that are freedom of speech. Gibson Go uses Stripe to pay out. Kik.com uses Stripe to pay out. Odyssey use Stripe to pay out. They got banned and they've switched to something else now. Rumble uses Stripe to pay out. Locals uses Stripe to pay out. So every single one of these all tech websites that you think is super awesome, like freedom of speech, they are all bottlenecked through the same fucking thing. So when I'm plugged into it and I'm a creator and I'm trying to collect money that people wanna send me, I'm continuously getting my account shit down by Stripe because they're like, you've been previously banned on Stripe. And that is what they gave me access back to. I still can't process payments through them, which I would like to do because I sell merchandise when I have a payment processor available to me, which lasts precisely one run before they figure out that I'm on their network and they banned me because people report me and stuff. Are you selling guns, drugs, dangerous things?

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Unknown_01: What are you selling?

Unknown_00: I sell the worst of all. This is actually, it's illegal in 14 states. It's t-shirts with little Kiwis on them.

Unknown_02: And so if anybody in this long chain that you described, like if, if, if John MasterCard picks up the phone and says, Hey, I heard that you're doing business with Josh moon, you know, stop this immediately. So did you, after the executive order of the debanking executive order that Trump did, did they unban you after that?

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Unknown_01: What action did you take after the Trump executive order? This is, this is wonderful.

Unknown_00: OK, so after Trump's executive order, I tried contacting them and they said our decision was final. We're not reversing it. I tried contacting them again later, more forcefully. And this time I actually somehow acquired a list of every single person who worked at Stripe. And I therefore sent an email to every person who had risk in their title all the way up to the global risk officer. And I said, you're violating Donald, I even spelled his name out, President Donald John Trump's executive order.

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Unknown_00: This is why I want you to take it on England. Sorry, continue.

Unknown_00: And I sent them the letter and I wrote, you know, my letters, I have a rule. One page. If I can't, a 12-point font fits on one page with my return address at the top. If it doesn't fit, I don't send it because nobody's going to read that shit. So I sent them a very concise letter explaining exactly how i hate them how they're violating the executive order how i'm going to continue sending emails to them and i will continue to send letters i send physical letters with spongebob stamps on them to the federal government explaining how my rights have been imputed by stripe and then at the very end this is what i think this is what did it i had one last paragraph and i said i don't even want to do business with you but if i do business with any of those companies i just mentioned i have to do business with you it's like i don't want to ever think about you ever again and um Then they sent me this very long reply. And the gist of it was, I swear to God, we are not a financial institution and therefore we're not covered. Now, the executive order was very clear that it covers financial services. A financial institution is a credit union or a bank. They're right. They're not a credit union or a bank. They are a financial service that is covered by the EO. And their reply is complete bullshit. um but after they sent me this reply basically saying we don't consider ourselves included in the eo i got another follow-up player saying after further review we've unbanned your kick and gumroad account oh gumroad i forgot i forgot to mention number they're all on stripe i'm telling you oh my god gumroad is too gumroad is stripe if you want to get paid on gumroad you're going through stripe you're doing you're getting your w2s from stripe so all of them there's no option i think subscribe star even i've never done subscribe so i think subscribe star is also stripe so you have no choice you want to get paid you want to do stuff on the internet and get money for it cryptocurrency and stripe pick your poison i wonder if patreon was on strike patreon

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Unknown_02: Hey, Trion.

Unknown_00: I remember that one. Yes, I was on it before I got before I got banned. Oh, God.

Unknown_00: You got banned from Adrian. No, I didn't get banned from Adrian. Adrian got banned.

Unknown_03: Okay.

Unknown_00: yeah no i'm trying to remember i i i think it might actually be on the stripe or something i don't remember how they how they worked so i'll tell you what i'm doing instead now and this is honest to god i'm not making this up this is not um i discovered once upon a time because i had i've just returned to the united states i've been inside the united states for about 10 years so i've just gotten back i'm getting to the swing of things again and i'm uh and a little bit of culture shock things are different than i remember and i was just setting up my utilities and stuff and i the utility company um didn't accept online payments you have to actually mail them a check which was strange because of like a small local utility company and i i set up a thing where i did bill pay on online so you go to your bank and you ask them to mail a physical check to this institution and they will actually print out a check and mail it to them and while i did this i was thinking Hmm. That's interesting. That doesn't seem like it goes through 27 different middlemen. It goes to the USPS and the USPS cannot deny me service, even if they would really want to. So I started talking and I found out that I can get a check deposit machine from my bank that can process 100 checks per minute. And then I can scan those checks and pull the memo off them and using OCR. And I can give people what they pay for based off the memo. And so I've been working to get this set up. And I'm going to break the financial system by having people physically mail me checks of $20 a month.

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Unknown_00: And I think if this doesn't work, I would love to see how because it would be a very interesting problem at least because this is literally exactly what like I've been is but not but analog. It's multiple banks using the ACH clearinghouse system using actual checks to

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Unknown_00: send money between each other without going through any payment network. So I'm, I've been, I've been, I've been going old school. I've been sending letters and I've been writing checks and I'm going to be receiving checks.

Unknown_01: That's that's, that's incredible.

Unknown_01: Oh man. So I, I guess we should get into the, um, to to the lawsuit by the way if people don't know you want to get some background on uh so you are webmaster owner viewer of kiwi farm i'm just some guy um but i run a website called the kiwi farms which you cannot find i think if you go to google and type in kiwi farms you'll get 20 different results about how we murder people by making fun of them

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Unknown_00: um but if you're at kiwifarms.net or right now kiwifarms.sc it will redirect you but there was a time where we almost lost the domain so it's kiwifarms.net um we'll get it back one day we're returning to the fatherland uh it's a website it's about internet drama it's about people talking about people on the internet it doesn't sound that controversial but the main thing is that when you talk about people and uh they don't like it, they start causing problems for you and they'll cause problems for other people once they can't cause any problems for you. And if those people sometimes happen to be transgender people who are ex-Google employees with degrees in network engineering who are worth over a million dollars and you have evidence that they were accused of rape They will go to extraordinary lengths to try and remove you from the internet because guess what? They also just so happen to be invested into a reputation management company that the former CEO, or not CEO, but chair board member of Wikimedia is a customer of. And their whole reputation management business is just removing stuff from the internet. So what a better indication of your product's quality than removing this one blight from the internet. And then, of course, everything else about them is gone because... It's amazing how, if you go pound for pound, like per capita, how influential transsexuals are in the West.

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Unknown_02: Because they're... there's like there's like a probably what a couple if we're being generous a couple hundred thousand of them in the world they are the ideal cog they they they meet they're they're such a perfect piece i i'm a big kaczynski yes i love kaczynski's writings about the system they are a perfect cog of the system and because if you think about it they are just so flawless for meeting the demands of corporate culture with no real downsides until they get accused of rape

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Unknown_00: But we don't look at that and we pretend it doesn't happen. The transgender is incapable of rearing a family. They never need maternity or paternity leave. They never need time off with their kids. And oftentimes they don't have a good relationship with their parents. They have almost no maternal bonds or family bonds to tie them down. They can move to whatever city on a moment's notice. The transsexual is an autistic man. Autistic people are very good at writing code, but as a man, They also meet equity barriers by being a gender minority and also technically a woman. So when they join your company, you can say we have a new woman employee in a field that predominantly is 95% male software developers are. So they look great for your ESG equity reports about employment things. And there's a sexual minority or they're all frequently disabled too. So you check, check, check. From that perspective, they're great. You have a female developer who never takes time off, will never have children, doesn't have any family, can move anywhere in the world. And then from outside of the corporate perspective, they are the ideal consumer too. What does a gay man who's addicted to pornography spend his money on?

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Unknown_00: Bullshit, basically. Pornography and toys and consumer electronics. Do they need a bunch of land? No, they'll live in an apartment in San Francisco. So, you know, they know each other. They get together with each other. They go to weird kinky BDSM sex clubs in San Francisco together. They all have dirt on each other because they all know who has child pornography on their computers and stuff. So they're very compliant. They're very malleable. They work well in the environment. They thrive in the environment of structure and soulless monotony and having nothing to look forward to because they're on SSRIs. It's just literally every single thing about transsexual makes them the ideal component for a workforce like Google.

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Unknown_01: This this does make me think of because when you look at all the people profiled on KiwiFarms, by the way, all any of the person that ever says, especially these journalists who say, oh, KiwiFarms is the worst place in the world. These people, these people sit on their ass in their house and they go on KiwiFarms to get dirt on all the people they don't want.

Unknown_00: They all fucking do this. You can cut this both ways. Number one, the Kiwi Farms is fucking mild at this point. I've been on the internet my entire life. I've seen shit. It's not even close. It's not even that bad. I'm going to be honest with you. I've seen worse on Reddit these days. Um, and then, yeah, that's the dark secret is that you'll see things that, that happened on the Kiwi farms and then I'll see them talked about by people who have multiple million subscribers on YouTube and they'll use screenshots that you can, you can tell because it was captured on like some office on the Kiwi farms using Linux. And I'll, I'll recognize what a Linux font looks like. And I can say that was not captured by you. random YouTuber on Windows right now using OBS that was captured by somebody on Linux. And it just so happens to have the exact same resolution as the screenshot on the Kiwi farm. So it's like I, I see that that that this propagates outwards. And there's a great I've The far right really hates me like actual neo-Nazis or people who would identify neo-Nazis because a lot of their information ends up on the forum, too. And it's very much a neutral free for all in terms of like I don't say that's not a valid target because it's like people don't talk about people. It's not really my place. most of the time to say you can't do that so what they do is they call it info laundering they'll say that like the cia out to get them will post anonymously on the kiwi farms to launder that information but i like that term a lot um in that is info laundering it's like somebody is a whistleblower somebody knows something they post anonymously on the kiwi farms and then suddenly youtuber moist critical is talking about it a week later and it's every you should be you should get like a 10 tax on youtube because every jerk off youtuber now

0:35:37
Unknown_01: just fires gets a the downfall of click a click random thread on kiwi farms and just use use exactly what's in the thread and put the little uh put the little uh uh spooky the uh sound in the background and cha-ching a hundred thousand dollar video hundred thousand dollar video

Unknown_00: Well, the forum's favorite person to make fun of for doing that is Turkey Tom. But I feel bad for Turkey Tom because, like, for instance, we have a new guy on the forum in terms of content, and his name is Bossman Jack. He's my personal favorite at the moment. We love Bossman here. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So when I first started watching him, he had less than 100 viewers. It's my fault I made him a household name across the world. People in India will gather around the streets to look at the one TV so they can see Bossman Jack lose it all. It's my fault that he's now so successful. I take full credit.

0:36:29
Unknown_00: But... when turkey tom did his video on bossman jack it was like five hours long and he basically just went down the forum and took every clip out of the thread and put together and talked over it and my thing is you know people identify that he did that and they're right that he did that there's no doubt but what's funny is that i i actually like turkey tom because he's one of the only people on youtube that will say i got that i just stole this from kiwi farms and it's you know i'm gonna make a hundred thousand dollars off it when youtube gives me six million views on this video in a week and it's like i respect that You know what I mean? At least you're acknowledging where you got your sources from. I can't expect people to tithe me like I'm the Pope, but I appreciate the people that are... bold enough to acknowledge that we exist because people like Hassan Piker, he will do the exact same thing. H3 has this big scandal. He reads a bunch of screenshots of stuff about H3 right off the Kiwi Farms. You can tell, again, the same screenshots. But if you mention the Kiwi Farm, if somebody does a video that's in his friend group that mentions that this was on the Kiwi Farms, he will pause the video and directly admonish him and says, don't mention that site and then go and play the video again. So they all do it again. They all do it, but they don't like to admit it.

0:37:44
Unknown_01: Yeah. Speaking of which, tips for content creators. Go find your thread on Kiwi Farms and start writing lawsuits and telling people you're going to beat them up. No, I'm just kidding.

Unknown_00: I don't know where you're going with that. But when you said find your thread, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't ever do it. the number of people that like they get obsessed with like it's it's a skill you have to learn when you create content on the internet is who to pay attention to because many people will complain in ways that look like they're making a genuine complaint and are giving advice but they're just being dickheads so you have to actually sit down and think about like who do i listen to who has like genuine feedback and if you're just like paying attention to people who are making fun of you you're gonna go crazy

0:38:27
Unknown_02: Yeah. Do you really, and this applies to anybody. Do you, would you really want to know what everybody thinks about you? Like the people you know in your life? No, you would, that would be horrible. That would be like, that's funny that that's a superpower in, in fiction. Like, Oh, you can read someone's mind. No, that would be the worst thing. You'd kill yourself after like three days. It would be awful. Just don't do it. Don't give it to the temptation.

Unknown_01: Yeah. And the people who like,

Unknown_01: The like, cause you can go on some of these threads and people like, oh, this guy's bad or CIA or Jew, whatever, blah, blah, blah. The only like the, what matters is like when you see like the, the, the screenshot and it's got that typewriter text and it's like, oh, october 9th uh you know 1994 um the you know the arrest record with the uh whatever the pedophile uh in arrest these kinds of or whatever like yeah yeah it's gonna be on there you're not gonna be able to do it away but it's just ridiculous because you know i don't know maybe it was as a millennial you're growing up and we were just basically taught to uh to i i don't want to be over the top but almost worship these things like um uh what is deep throat and uh what are the pentagon files whatever which was essentially like you know there were free speech drops basically drop sites of information like when people talk about whistleblower like this is the only way whistleblower works is for there to be a place like kiwi farms or whatever to to drop your stuff and i i just want to right now i just like i you know we're conservatives a lot of conservatives right now feel very very comfortable i i don't know if you've noticed you said you just got back to the states you notice everybody says again you notice this yes it's it's amazing and you can say this anytime you want now we're all very very comfortable and i just i well i maybe i'm a glass half full guy but it was like three years ago we were getting it was the most like uh 1984 what we've ever seen um People say, oh, have you seen Sargon's out tweeting and stuff like this? I mean, we went through many, many years where if you were going to go online and look at conservative content that wasn't deeply censored, you're going to be watching Quartering or Ben Shapiro. I mean, that's it. And so...

0:40:54
Unknown_01: What I'm worried about is that, do you think, you've been around a while, do you think people could sort of take the current moment as being too comfortable and that like, let's say if there's a political change, this person gets elected, that person gets elected, whatever, that... They could be in very, very much desperate need for, or hell, just look across the pond at the United Kingdom.

0:41:27
Unknown_01: How difficult would it be for us to be in a situation where people would be desperately needing? And by the way, we talk about this, like, you have things like that whatever that christ church footage uh footage uh very very important events the only place you could find this this this truth this vital information it was kiwi farms

Unknown_00: Well, okay, yeah, I mean, there's several parts to that. I'll start with the easiest first. There were two instances where the Kiwi Farms, I believe, contributed to countering a narrative which was state-mandated, basically. It was a social media requirement. The first was that the Christchurch shooting footage was almost completely obliterated from the internet. It was somebody on the forum who happened to get a livestream uh, get access to the Facebook live stream and download it. And then they gave it to me and I, I fought very hard to keep the footage on the internet. Um, while, uh, not only it was the most traffic we ever had, we had over 40,000, I think like 24,000 people concurrent trying to access the footage. So I, I even spun up a torrent and I remember watching all the torrent trackers drop the file because they, uh, they didn't want to touch it. We had New Zealand hounding us in the emails and the, you know, the end result was that we, we preserved the file, but I remember I got a nasty grams from New Zealand and all these, you know, journalists that are just scum of the earth but the only other emails that i got regarding it from the united states law enforcement were police departments that were like we're afraid that there's going to be a copycat shooter of this and we need training material can you get us the file so if they couldn't figure out how to use bit torrent there i think there was like at least five different police departments across the u.s that contacted me asking for a more easily downloaded version of the file um which i was able to to provide them with so um that was an instance where things almost got deleted and the other big one this is one of the biggest threads on the forum in terms of cultural impact There is a thread called the first verse. No, I'm just, no, just, just the like few people that is the most culturally significant, but for the broader people, for the broader society, there is a thread called SRS and J GRS gender reassignment surgery and sexual reassignment surgery. Um, me get the actual title for it because it's kind of gruesome srs in i'll say the sexual reassignment surgery and genital reassignment surgery surgeons and associated horrors and this is a thread that basically just goes on reddit and looks at different subreddits where transsexuals post and collects photos of them sharing their pre and post-op um surgery results, and it is some of the most horrific shit you've ever fucking seen.

0:44:27
Unknown_00: It is a man's pelvis with a gaping hole cut into it, oftentimes infected, oftentimes oozing. Things like the clitoris, which is just the head of the penis they sew on to make a clitoris, the clitoris dangling by a thread.

Unknown_00: It's... And so normal people, they hear about the, you know, they have a very high level of trust with science and they hear doctors can fashion a vagina out of the components of a penis and they can live happy, long, successful lives as a woman and nobody would ever know. And you hear that and it just comes out of the blue and you're like, blinking, staring into the light of this. And you're just like, I guess that makes sense. Medicine's crazy these days. And then you hear about them doing it to kids. And it's like, we got to do it as early as possible because if we don't do it, they go through male puberty and then it's a big disaster. But then you look at people like Blair White and, um, the the little jewish boy that uh i forget his name jazz jennings jazz jennings had um went on h uh hormone blockers as a as a little boy and as a result his penis never developed into a man's penis and they tell him we can't do the surgery on you because you don't have any any meat to make a vagina out of so you're gonna have a little boy dick your entire life blair white said i'm just gonna find a man who's gonna me with my little boy dick and he and he did and but jazz jennings says no i want the surgery and they broadcast this on television uh he's in pain he's on painkillers there's things falling off that are not like the the lining of the vagina that they've created is not the staples are coming out and All this people just have this natural trust of authority and of medical doctors. There's no way that a doctor would actually be doing Joseph Mengele Frankenstein experiments on little kids' pelvises with their genitals. There's no way. There's no way that we're in 2025. That doesn't happen anymore. And then you just go to this thread and you click through the postmarks or the highlights and you see success story after success story. And if you manage to make it past the first one, it just keeps going and going and going. And you're thinking they are literally convincing little boys into thinking that if they just trust the science hard enough and take the HRT blocker and go into mr goldstein's lab of horrors that they'll become a woman at the end of it and they're just being sexually mutilated and the suicide um success rates after this the transition the sexual reassignment surgery is higher than before so they're just killing people there there is no happy ending you just die horrifically in agony on on a cocktail of painkillers and and hormone replacement therapy and it's just That is a thread where in the darkest days when this went from just like a Tumblr thing to an international phenomenon that swept probably millions of children into it at this point in time and in the darkest days where social media had a complete and total blackout on any information that would convince people transgenderism is not a perfectly acceptable and healthy, normal, natural way to live. This thread Definitely showed millions of people, disseminated to millions of people, evidence to the contrary. And I think that if there's ever a history review of the Kiwi forums, that'll probably be one of the silent workhorses of the outputs of the forum is that thread. And it's, you know, it's, I think...

0:48:04
Unknown_00: It's about 1750 pages in total.

Unknown_00: So it's not, it's not even one of our largest, longest threads, but as far as like impact, I think it's way, way out there. It's probably one of the number one thing.

Unknown_01: And when I click this thread, uh, am I, am I watching, um, you know, a propagandist give me an editorialized speech or, or, uh, am I looking at evidence that like, well, like you're looking at a picture of a gaping hole in a man's pelvis on Reddit with the title of this picture being, does this look normal?

0:48:57
Unknown_00: That's what you're looking at. Or 14 weeks post-op, I'm not happy with the results. Does it get any better? They'll even specifically say, please give me hope or something. Please give me hope that this is going to work out. um and they'll compare doctors and be like oh yeah this doctor in thailand is the worst of the worst he'll never go there and that person has a thread um and these threads by the way they all have millions of views uh the tranny's posting their l's online thread that has nine million the jazz jennings thread has six million just on its own uh the tranny side shows on social media that's a great one by the way absolutely here's a really fun thing to do If you ever get super bored, go to Amazon. Switch over to Amazon.de, which is German. Type in panties or something or like schoolgirl outfit and just click one and then go to the reviews and look at the picture reviews. Every single thing. All of them. i everyone and it's not even like it's not even like oh that's that that's that might be a man it's like that is uncle olaf 70 years old bavaria wearing a schoolgirl uniform and saying that it makes him feel sexy in the comments like every single one of them it's it's actually shocking and but you don't see that as much in the us version and i don't know why and it makes me think that the moderators in germany are like completely hands off the the issue because you know you know how it is in europe it's scary in europe and the us like you know that that looks bad we have to we have to do something about this

0:50:22
Unknown_02: We still have a modicum of shame here, which is self-preservation.

Unknown_00: It's not shame. It's self-preservation.

Unknown_01: I mean, real quick. I mean, uh, have you heard there's this, there are leftist transgender that are, uh, they're like, um, they're saying like, Hey, like we should, we should, uh, who was the, the one who was in the X-Men movie?

Unknown_00: Oh, um, this isn't her name. Like, are you talking about the blue lady, the remake?

Unknown_01: Um, it was a female. She was a, she was like a, a movie star woman. And now she says, she's a guy, Ellen page, Ellen page. There's like cage was, was mystique.

0:51:06
Unknown_00: no no no no i i just knew they were in x-men or whatever oh oh okay no for some reason i thought you're talking about the sake i don't know that's the only accident i know i'm sorry i'm not cool but uh like they're like hey like we should like get this person off the internet because every single interview ellen page does they look like they want to kill themselves and this is like not a good look and she probably does Ellen Page I mean all the little girls who go through the Hollywood machine they all get molested like you see the pictures of the actress Emma Watson who played Hermione Granger and she's being like manhandled by what's his face the fat Harvey Harvey Harvey got her and now she's like you know she's like mentally ill Ellen Page not only was she a child actress god forbid her likeness was used by David Cage and heavy heavy rain was it and uh her her face and body were used for nude models without her consent so you know that kind of stuff where people just like like treat you as property that you up going through that system you up so i'm sure that like she is probably all up i think anybody that goes through hollywood especially little girls that go through hollywood there's you don't survive that

0:51:42
Unknown_02: If you push your child into the, into the film industry, you basically hate them. Like it's, I can't imagine why anybody would still, would still voluntarily do that unless you're absolutely heartless. Because when we, we've heard all the stories, think about how many child actors end up just complete uh either either dead or their lives completely ruined i mean some of them i mean you got something like gosling or whatever seems like he's seems like he's normal but uh that's kind of the exception not the rule

0:52:44
Unknown_00: okay if you want to watch um if you want to watch a documentary about that quiet on set is really good um they talked to a boy who was in the amanda byne show and he basically just said he doesn't say it outright he kind of sidesteps it but he says like He was in the hand. There was a guy that was like a well-known producer on the show. And he was basically living with him at certain points. And he says, like, I'm not going to tell you what he did to me. But just imagine the absolute worst thing you could do to a little boy. And it happened to me. Just imagine. Probably worse, even. I think is what he says. Probably worse than that. And they talk extensively about Amanda Bynes herself. And, you know, she was picked out by... by hand by uh dan fucking schneider yeah and picked out by hand so he saw something about her he really liked and she was always with him and there's so many pictures of him touching her and there's so many pictures of her you know because that that he got the logo to be feet the nickel i remember even as a kid thinking god why is the nick jr logo feet that's kind of weird And then there's all the clips of Amanda Bynes feet and then her getting like splooshed on by like foam or whatever. And it just looks like cum and it's, it's just so blatant. It's so blatant.

0:54:17
Unknown_01: What was, what was that movie that was just straight up CP Merrick? Pretty baby from the seventies. Mm-hmm.

Unknown_02: Yeah. I mean, this is this, we talked about this for this goes in waves there. They were doing this pretty openly. I think that movie was probably worse than anything we've seen in our lifetimes. Cause they had, oh, I think it was Brooke shield, right? Is that the one where there's like a like a child prostitute and she's like actually 16 or something in real life? No, she was younger than 16 and they had her posing. She was filmed nude as a child prostitute. And this movie, if you look at the reviews, like, you know, Robert Ebert's like two thumbs up. This is brilliant artwork.

0:54:59
Unknown_03: so not everything has gotten worse over time like there are a few tiny things that we've gotten better about and like this like that dan schneider guy uh he he was like the big shot at nickelodeon for how for how many years for like 15 plus he ran the joint for a long time

0:55:32
Unknown_02: right and it you know even after they even after they busted him it's not like he's in federal penitentiary right now no he's not in the show with harvey weinstein or anything the boy that i mentioned um he at a much later date he actually

Unknown_00: I can't remember the full context for this, but it was much later on and he was in trial. And the guy that had been harming him was to be sentenced. And all the staff from Nickelodeon showed up to give testimony, character testimony in his defense about how he's a good person. And it's like, you just heard this kid explain how he was like viciously sodomized over months. And you're hearing the witness stand to give testimony to his character. It's like, how disgusting.

Unknown_01: We had one in my town that was a band leader and they had all the girls from the band come out, like a high school band. They were like, he's never, ever said anything to me. And it was all girls. It was like, yeah, yeah, because he doesn't like girls. and of course you think about nickelodeon orlando uh everyone knew the guy that was running those boy bands and stuff um old gross guy 60 looking year old guy looked like review tech review tech and he was like the manager of like uh i don't know in sync and stuff and it's like like everyone do and then people kept dropping their kids off there because I mean that when people talk about I mean in my opinion people talk about child trafficking stuff like I don't think it's a we like You know, I'm sure, like, yeah, I think that that does count for things like Hollywood and stuff. However, there are places in the world where this is like just a wholesale business. And from what I understand, it's mostly parents more or less selling their children into slavery. I mean, that's, you know what I'm saying?

0:57:13
Unknown_00: well and i mean it is yeah there's kind of like that expectation there's this weird thing i don't know how to describe it but if you ever watch something especially a lot of youtube videos that people because people make youtube videos and they use those youtube videos in like their portfolio to try and get into actual productions and sometimes you'll see like a kid that's in one and you can tell she's got like a full face of makeup and she's like really acting she's doing like an acting thing where you can tell she's like really trying to like do the lines and Be emotive and stuff and you can tell that this is something that her parents have done to put put into her Portfolio so that she can be a child actor in either a show or a movie at some point And you just feel bad for her because to her she's just playing a fun game Where it's like i'm on i'm going to be on youtube people are going to watch my video and it's going to be really fun and then um you know, she's like, oh, then one day I might get to be in TV and make it to be in movies. And it's all just like,

0:58:02
Unknown_00: It's also tragic and I don't know, it's, it's hard to enjoy things now. Cause whenever I watch stuff, I just think like, yeah, she probably was abused. She probably was abused and she was super abused. It's like, everything's just so mired in misery now.

Unknown_01: Can we go back to the old days, like chaining your kid to like the, you know, an oboe or, you know, beating them when they get bees at school or something like that was, let me just go back to that.

0:59:05
Unknown_02: Well, think about 20 to 15 years ago and the libs were up in arms about beauty pageant culture and how awful it was and how exploitative it was. I'm not a fan of it either, even though I grew up in the South. know people were still doing it when i was when i was a child but the libs had no problem denouncing this and calling it what it was because all the people who were into it were like mostly chuds right it was a lower it was a lower class thing they're not putting their kids in beauty pageants however throwing their children into the grist mill of hollywood is perfectly acceptable even though it's the same thing I mean, it's probably worse because even at the height of beauty pageants being culturally relevant and there being money in it, it wasn't like the people running it were super powerful aside from like the Miss America contest.

0:59:47
Unknown_00: Well, let me clarify something. I'm a Honey Boo Boo fan. I have a family that was big into Honey Boo Boo. So I happen to be educated on this topic. shamefully um child pageants originally before they became super weird were a thing that were set up locally by by parents who were especially parents of people who were in pageants themselves because back in the day you had you know beauty pageants were like state level you had local beauty pageants and it was just an excuse for a woman to like pretty up and try to look their best you know and then get voted on and then you know kids see that like well I want to do that too so they did kid pageants and that was just supposed to be like your high school you know what I mean it wasn't supposed to be and it never was really they're never I they're probably I guess there was like an international beauty pageant where you know people started looking at this like why the fuck are we doing this what is the point of this um but yeah you're it's a good comparison to make it's it's true the the only difference really is the money you make way more money in Hollywood and I think that in our culture anything that makes you a shit ton of cash can't be that bad. If you're an actor and you're doing all these things, but you're getting paid $100 million per film, well, you know, I guess people start thinking maybe I would too. Maybe I would go through all that for $100 million.

1:00:36
Unknown_02: Yeah. Everything's contingent. You can be like the governor of California's wife and like, you know, 15, 15, 20 years later, uh, it's like, uh, it's just a horrible hardship for me. But at the time you felt differently about it. That's, you know, there's, uh, the howling, oh God, when the great howling mutant tweets, um, the, uh,

1:01:37
Unknown_01: hell has no fury like a like a woman uh sexually assaulted 25 years ago let's leave that topic behind us now shitting on england now this is a lot of fun here we go everybody lately uh we've all had our ass full of everything that's coming out of england are you familiar with this twitter account the uk y-o-o-k-a-y no i'm not

Unknown_02: The UK aesthetic.

Unknown_02: And by the way, before you go off shitting on England, you're wrong. It's not England. It is the UK. The people in the UK who like England, the government hates them. The government puts them in jail for holding up the flag of England. So this ain't an England problem. It's a UK problem.

1:02:20
Unknown_00: i disagree i hate english this is going to come out hey look man you're you're the you're the interviewee so you're going to get to speak your piece uh we certainly have uh well whatever yes and but uh i made a z and people gave me for it that says i hate the english basically is the the short of of that message i hate the english i can explain why um my first real serious encounters with the english are have always been terrorists um so the uk They have a welfare system. And if you don't want to work, you don't have to work in the UK. So if you're a mentally ill lunatic and you live in the United Kingdom, they'll give you free housing. They won't require you to get a job. They'll pay for your bullshit. They'll give you cash. And then you're free to spend that cash on being in that time that you have not having to worry about your basic needs being an absolute menace. There have been multiple people from the United Kingdom who who are on welfare, who subsist on government handouts and they use their abundance of free time to swat either me or my family or service providers and the UK does absolutely nothing about them. I have handed the FBI and their government and uh their you know the constables or whatever in the local constables that that are in their area i can give them conclusive proof that these people are using um anonymizing services to call the police in the United States to try and kill people. It's attempted murder because if they get an unannounced break and entry into a home, someone can be shot on accident. Animals get shot. It causes property damage. It's an extremely dangerous thing. And the UK has never, ever, ever done anything about a uk citizen in the uk not hiding abroad in the uk using um their abundance of time afforded to them by the welfare state to terrorize americans and it seems deliberate i can't think of any other explanation it seems like they just hate americans and when you talk to anglo angloids as i like to call them the angloid for whatever reason is arrogant smug condescending will talk down to you they genuinely believe that they are better than you and if you ever try to criticize anything about their stupid shitty country they'll point to you and say what about that white buff weight sad isn't it and it's without fail every time it's like you can't even you can't talk to them and I just despise them. They're the worst. And you know what really pisses me off more than anything else? I say this. I have my own podcast, Matt the Internet, and I say this openly. Whenever the British come up, I say, I fucking hate England. I fucking hate England. They love me. British people love me. And they say, Josh, you're the only American who doesn't have this false nicety to them and just says, I hate fucking English people. And it's like when I talk to an American, they're always smiling and say, oh, what is the thing that they really fucking hate? know they just hate how americans are so smiley nice like i don't know you i'm english i don't know you i don't want to talk to you we're not friends i've never met you before and uh bless your heart oh it's so insincere you lady that's how british people think i mean i'm i'm like this and they love me for it so that that irritates me even more i'm not trying to be endearing i don't like you

1:05:48
Unknown_01: well that makes you a perfect uh uh that makes you an even better protagonist here for your mission so can you give us a background on this case how did this come about and um why you feel passionate about about this

Unknown_00: The United Kingdom passed a law that mandates age verification effectively within the United Kingdom and enforces that service providers wishing to offer services to people within the United Kingdom have a plan to enforce their law.

Unknown_00: And I don't know the specifics about it, but what I do remember is that if you break this law, you will be fined. And I think it's something absurd, like 5% of your entire global turnover as a company, it's like theoretically it can be tens of thousands of dollars and it can even be in prison i think they can threaten to imprison hiroyuki nishimura who runs 4chan with uh if he failed to enforce the the rules of the law and um my my precedent has always been that i don't care but when this happened you know i'm a bleeding heart as much as i hate the english i i blocked them i blocked the entire um the entire country and i said on this error page that it would give you uh it would give you a 451 unavailable for legal reasons and it would explain how to use tor to access the kiwi farms in a way that the government could not spy on because the government um even with https they can see that you're connecting to certain sites when you for instance even with um sites hiding behind Cloudflare. I was wrong about this. I thought that the Kiwi Farms was uniquely vulnerable to this because you have to connect to certain IPs to connect to us. Whereas with Cloudflare, you always connect to a Cloudflare IP shared with a million other sites. But I found out that actually, they can sniff the packets and determine the domain name that you're connecting to, even if it's a shared IP through the SSL handshake. So when you connect to a website protected by HTTPS, the data of that site is encrypted, but they can tell that you're accessing kiwifarms.st, even if that IP is shared by 10 million other sites. So they can tell that you're connecting to the site that is on Ofcom's naughty list, and they might pay you a visit. um if for instance the real example of how metadata is used let's say that there's a cheeky post about transgender folks that they don't like that was made at 10 53 utc british time and also they just so happen to know in their giant database of uh sniffing all the packets and all the internet communications that there was a connection made from your house to kiwifarms.sc at 1053. British time. They would come to your house and say, do you use the Kiwi Farms? Do you post on the Kiwi Farms? Does this post look familiar to you? And then they'll even, if they give you the warning, I love the English warning. It's the opposite of the Miranda rights. If you get warned that you're potentially facing criminal charges in the UK, they tell you that you can, if you choose to remain silent, your silence will be used against you as evidence that you're guilty. they straight up just say that so that could happen to you and it's happened carolyn farrow uses the kiwi farms and her her real name because um there are uh troons she's a um i want to say she's anglican she's married Now she might be Catholic, her husband's Anglican, that would make sense, but is a priest. And so she's very religious. She has five children, four of them have autism, and she is constantly legally harassed by a bunch of transgender people because she is a TERF. And she has been arrested multiple times for posts made on the Kiwi farms and for posts made on the Kiwi farms that she did not post. She has her own account, but she's been arrested over allegations from transgender people that certain posts made were made by her, even though there's no evidence to support that. They caution her and warn her if she's silent, that will be used against her. That's how bad I'm telling you. It's not it's not a fiction. This is the life that the Angloid lives in. And it's terrifying. I've tried to convince her to get the fuck out of there. Like, what are you doing? But,

1:09:55
Unknown_00: So, okay, my point was that I blocked the site to stop that from happening to a bunch of other people. And the Ofcom said, we accept you blocking the UK as compliance. So after I said, we're just blocking the UK, they're like, okay, fine, I win then. Nah, that was their official governmental response to me. And then they warned, by the way, we may at a later date review how you instruct people to use Tor as non-compliance. just so you know so they threatened me so we might come back and revisit this issue uh some point later uh i um received a lot of contributions from the users and i pledged to upgrade the forum so i started taking things apart adding new hardware to the server and while i was doing this i was stripping the site down to its bare essentials so that it would run as quickly as possible before i started adding complexity back to it and one of the things that i took down was our uh anti um uh ddos firewall which was also how i blocked the uk and in this brief window of like one week where i had this off i got off come back at me saying we noticed that you took down the block so not only were they checking sites they were checking their list twice and as it turned out i was on it twice um So they sent me a follow-up letter. And this time I had been contacted by the attorney representing us in this matter, which is Preston. I don't know how to pronounce his last name. It's B Y R N E. If you know how to say that, please let me know. So that when I talk to him, I will not embarrass myself by mispronouncing it, but it's like Preston Bairn or something. And at some point you need to tell us about why he's so uniquely qualified.

1:11:23
Unknown_01: Cause I think people will be impressed.

Unknown_00: of course um he went to the united kingdom uh studied law there became a solicitor and then at some point realized the uk sucked that's my assumption i don't know for sure but i assume that he realized the uk sucks moved back to the us i think he went to new york and then got a law degree in the us so as it turns out he's one of the very very very few that dual solicitor lawyers in the UK and the US, which makes them extraordinarily overqualified to handle this issue of internet slap fighting. So we have the perfect protagonist and the perfect attorney.

1:12:08
Unknown_01: Continue.

Unknown_00: He also has solicited the help of Ron Coleman.

Unknown_00: I guess you already know this, but Ron Coleman is a profoundly Jewish man. Very happy to have him on the legal team offering his input. And also a Supreme Court victor. He was the presiding lawyer for the slants. They were banned, and the trademark office told them that they couldn't trademark the name the slants because it was racially offensive, even though they were Asian.

1:12:51
Unknown_00: Ron Coleman said, that's bullshit. Took it up all the way to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court agreed that's bullshit. You can't deny a copyright or trademark based off the offensiveness of it. And so he is a Supreme Court victor. And hopefully his insights on this, he's very well respected. My attorney immediately, Hardin immediately recognized his name. So really cool guys. They're doing this for free, completely pro bono. the only thing that me and uh hero you here putting the bill for are actual court costs because when you file with the court uh you must pay certain expenses that they charge and uh they're not having to pay out of pocket their labor is free but other expenses will help with you can't have the slants but we have a everyone knows the 1992 film

1:13:40
Unknown_01: gay, gay, uh, inward F words from outer space. I mean, that's totally cool. Um, oh man, I don't, I don't, it's probably the fact that they didn't try to trademark that name or service market or whatever.

Unknown_00: I imagine it's a copy because the copyright office and the USPTO, which handles a trademarks, um, and probably service marks as well. That's different. So the USPTO probably said, we're not doing that copyright office, probably copyrights, whatever. Um, so that probably the copyright office, I don't even know if that existed when that movie came out.

1:14:15
Unknown_02: So you had the UK, uh, the UK unblocked for a week and Ofcom basically said, okay, now we're, we're going to find you because you're not compliant with our law, even though you're in the United States.

Unknown_00: They threatened to find me. And, uh, uh, Preston at this point, I think he was disappointed. I decided to just block the UK the first time after the second time. He's like, you know, you're really, they're really building a case that we should do something. And with fortune in particular, I think they directly threatened imprisonment. So we talked and Jesus. Yeah. So we, we talked and, um, uh, he pitched this idea for filing this lawsuit and

Unknown_00: on its face, it's very much seeking a declaratory judgment that UK laws don't apply in the US, which should be quite easy. They don't.

1:15:08
Unknown_00: But he has i don't know if this is i don't know if this is public yet so i shouldn't say this but he has um he's conniving he has a he has a fun little game of battleship that he's playing uh there's a very precarious issue in the united kingdom in terms of how ofcom is acting and in terms of what ofcom actually is and he is hoping to to catch them in a blunder So he's playing like a metagame. I would be more than happy just to have the US federal court tell the UK to shove off because that's very, very, very, very, very funny to me.

1:15:47
Unknown_00: That would be all I want. However, he has ambitions. He has lofty ambitions to help the UK help themselves, which I think is a lost cause.

Unknown_02: I would assume like father Ted just got, uh, they put him in handcuffs as soon as he got off the plane because he made some spicy tweets about transsexuals. Like he, they, I mean, not, if you're listening, not exaggerating, they handcuffed them and took them to jail over tweets that he made in the United States. And I believe he's not even a UK citizen. I think he's Republic of Ireland citizen. Although you might have duals. Yeah. yeah so uh yeah so i i guess if you if could they arrest you if you went to the uk well by the way they used to like for arresting someone as they step off a plane that used to be for like um you know uh guys that like uh international jewel thieves or guys who ran like you know the whatever the debiers mines where they had a million you know africans killed at or what like for a tweet

1:16:53
Unknown_00: have a theory with this in regards to um why they behave like they do i think that the police in the uk they're so impotent they're in a country that's filled with crime there's all sorts of crime to tackle and um speaking of attack have you ever seen them try to like arrest like a shoplift or something yeah it takes like 30 of them yeah like there's so much that they could be doing and they can't for political reasons they can't do things about the the precious the the chosen people living in the uk now and i think that like it frustrates them it's like the chosen people you mean all the jews robbing liquor stores they're not chosen by god they're chosen by uh different chosen but I feel like they want to do something and they can't. So they just are like, okay, I guess we'll just enforce the only laws that we actually get to enforce as brutally as we possibly can because it makes us feel like our lives have meaning. I honestly think that's what's going on with the UK police because otherwise they would literally be doing nothing.

1:17:48
Unknown_02: yeah that's the enforcement side of a narco tyranny it's that uh you know cops want to do something they want to enforce the law and pro and you know if you if you look at those videos of the british police uh trying to arrest people or interrogating your uh your nan for her facebook post they don't look they're not sending their best they don't look like the nypd or the lapd that's like a lot of women a lot of people who uh are wearing interesting religious headgear they're not in very good shape they probably couldn't they i mean they couldn't go deal with if they try to do to like london what uh trump did with uh with dc it was like just in like this massive sweep go in and get rid of all the gang activity they'd probably lose

1:18:29
Unknown_01: say like we joke a lot but i mean this is a deeply deeply evil organization in my opinion uh i like i don't know of any any uh crime that involved lots of people and lots of people knowing each other like uh an active conspiracy than what happened with roth rothram i mean these people are in my opinion i don't know of any any active institution in the world that is as evil as as the united kingdom's uh police force that's my opinion thank you yeah i mean

1:19:34
Unknown_00: I like I try to be optimistic about stuff because I have I have a expression I've said many times, but it's like we have a quadrant here cut into four four squares and you have an X axis and a Y axis and then X axis is your perception of reality. and your y-axis is actuality and if you are a pessimist and things are they're still and you don't get a consolation prize for being right if things are and you're optimistic then guess what you're still and you might be a little bit disappointed before they hang you but you know what, nothing changed. If things are not actually fucked, but you're pessimistic, you might miss out on opportunity as a result of being pessimistic that causes you to fuck yourself. So theoretically, mathematically speaking, there's only one conceivable way to hold yourself in the face of any calamity. or a situation and that is to be optimistic because it was only by being optimistic. Will you find possible solutions to fix things? When I look at the United Kingdom, I have nothing positive to say. And I don't think the people there can fix it. And my reason for this is that the UK has suffered multiple dysgenic events that will prohibit them from ever being able to do anything uh the the brave the courageous the independently minded they all left they left the country to move to australia to move to canada to move to the united states and then those who are with metal and and love for their country and who are very courageous and stalwart they died in the wars they died in world war one which was absolutely horrifically sanguineous and then they died in world war ii same story millions of of young men died in this war and who stayed behind Gay people, the lame, the stupid, those people, the elderly, the infirm, those were the ones left behind. And so the United Kingdom, I'm not just being a dickhead. I honestly believe that the people left behind in the UK, I'm sure there's some good people left, right? I know a couple good people who are English. It shames me to say this, but I know at least a few. So they're not completely wiped out, okay? It's not like it's, it's not India.

1:21:55
Unknown_00: Not in India. Not yet. But...

Unknown_00: The majority of the people there are craven, and they're not independently minded. They think as a hive, like insects, and they're just absolutely afraid of everything, and they need somebody else to take care of them. And they will just allow themselves to be replaced. And if you're British, just get the fuck out. There is no shame. Okay, we all did it. My ancestors did it. We all left the UK. We abandoned king and country. And it's your turn. Last one off the Mayflower. Turn off the lights. Okay.

1:22:26
Unknown_00: I don't I don't have any hope for your country.

Unknown_02: Oh, you don't have to sugarcoat it like that.

Unknown_03: I do have an alternative.

Unknown_02: World War I was especially bad for them, I mean, for everybody. Everybody. Because it wasn't just that you just killed off a huge proportion of your young men. If you look at the officer death ratio in the British Army in World War I, it was horrendous. We've never seen anything like it since, and for good reason, because that whole class of people got absolutely decimated and so that on that i mean that will happen again someday in the future i guess but we'll never see it in our lifetimes because i mean we're all dead they're in the ground it's happening now my my my theory when i was growing up i remember people lamenting that darwinism is dead um

1:23:04
Unknown_00: we don't have any kind of evolutionary impetus but the way i see it now with elon musk like pushing gooner ai there are people who are just never going to reproduce because they don't have self-control and i think that's what's being selected for now and we're in an era where every possible want and desire can be fulfilled within nanoseconds of wanting it if i wanted a a bag of tacos right now i can literally while talking to you pull out my phone and order 52 tacos from taco bell and i can eat it all you know like nothing stops me if i want to gamble my life savings away i can literally especially because most of my money is in crypto i can send that to stake right now and i can lose all of it immediately in seconds um and if i wanted to instead of writing nasty letters to ofcom or um the the federal government if i just wanted to masturbate all day but no nobody could stop me And those are the controlling factors now. That's what's affecting the birth rate is that we, and mental health is like, you see the actual consequences of people who have low impulse control in regards to food, in regards to pornography, in regards to gambling. That's a recent one. By the way, that's a culture shock is coming back to the United States and walking into some gas stations when I drive. Yeah. Between states and seeing slot machines and like homeless people at slot machines in like a fucking mobile mobile like like gas station Like did you see the story?

1:24:56
Unknown_01: from game day Sunday The public transportation shut down in one of these major cities. I don't know. Let's say San Francisco or something. The subway wouldn't work. FanDuel stepped in to restore service. Okay.

Unknown_00: is that a fantasy football thing yes the fan duel is providing public i mean you know this is like how government like you know after the fall of roman empire like the pope steps up it's like okay i'll manage the government there's no there's no caesar anymore like a gambling website's like okay we'll run the city for a while it's like things are getting rough here i mean it's fucked dude

1:25:37
Unknown_01: I do have a cope here. If you are British, there's a theory, a really good theory. I like this one. Good men make good times and the cycle of history dirt. Under that theory, the English got to be the first ones out of this because holy shit. I mean, it's bad. It's bad. It's a cope if you need one. There's a cope, but sorry, go ahead.

Unknown_00: It's a super cope. Germany has such a beautiful, long, rich history with some of the coolest fucking people, some of the most important inventors of mankind's history, and some of the most important leaders of human history. And you look at the modern German, and you can only lament. And it's because in World War II, they bled

1:26:22
Unknown_00: the entire country dry the the folk strong or whatever it just it liquidated human capital and then after it the soviets came in and the americans came in and whoever was left that was smart we plucked them from their country and it's like you'll never anybody who's germans are the same to get the out we still we still occupy them and they don't they don't even complain

1:26:59
Unknown_01: Yeah. I've been saying like, I'm an American, I'm an American Patriot. Like what I would want, like what I would want the most for the German people is him to say, get the fuck out of our country. Why, like, why are you doing this to us? Why do you have your military bases in our country? Like, uh, it's funny.

Unknown_00: One thing that I realized, um, back in the U S is that if you ever talk to people who are military, they'll almost always, everyone has a story about going to Ramstein. Yeah. and being in germany and uh and living on base in germany it's like a thing where it's like everybody it has to be stationed in germany if you're in the military it's like your one overseas adventure yeah uh but uh so and what is the um what do you uh so what's the win condition for this case what has to be proven um Well on its face, we simply have to prove that the United Kingdom is unable to enforce its laws in the United States.

1:27:50
Unknown_02: That seems simple enough on its face.

Unknown_00: There's a couple subplots going on here that I don't want to discuss because I don't know if my Ofcom handlers listen to this. But yeah, that's that's basically is that we want it. We want it because it's it's just a thing you know this is one of the few things that is bipartisan in the united states um you may not know this but once upon a time the united kingdom was a hot spot for what's called libel tourism or defamation tourism i think is what it was called so people in saudi arabia who wanted to sue somebody in the united states for saying something that they disagree with that they believe is defamatory would take the case up in the united kingdom win by default and then try to enforce their judgment in the United States. And some people were genuinely fucked over by this libel tourism, because guess what? The United Kingdom is still considered important in a lot of different places in the world. So they would actually enforce the libel tourism judgments from the UK abroad. Congress got ahold that this was a thing and passed the speech act. And this was a bipartisan agreement in our government. Very almost, I think recently like 2012, like during Obama's administration, I want to say, and Congress, the government came together and said, fuck the English, go away. And they passed the law. It was a good law. They did a good job, believe it or not. And yeah, just, you know, A win like this is... On its face, it's just seeking a declaratory judgment from the federal government's judicial system saying that British... Especially British laws that would impugn our freedom of speech are unconstitutional and can safely be ignored. And there's a more... specific reason for that i think part of what he's afraid of um our attorney is that in the worst case scenario ofcom might issue a fine and then try to enforce it on the bank because this is what they do with count dankula account thank you so i'm not paying your fine um for your your hate speech uh thing and then they just said okay no problem and they just straight up deducted the the fine from his bank account so that's true if you didn't know that they just he said i i will go to jail i will fight this to the bitter end they can lock me up they can throw away the keys i'm not paying that fine did they literally just yoink took the money out and we consider this matter resolved and so he got the least satisfying ending possible for his uh nazi pug thing And that's what the attorney is afraid of is that the UK might send their thing to whatever bank that 4chan has an account with and says we're fining him 100 million pounds sterling and they might just empty the account and close it. And that's the thing that could theoretically happen unless we have a nice ironclad federal court declaratory judgment that says the UK and its laws do not apply in the United States.

1:30:55
Unknown_01: In the meantime, if I was... If I went on vacation, England, I wanted to go on Kiwi farms and call, um, uh, review tech, uh, uh, a piece of shit.

Unknown_00: Well, he's a white male, so you can do that all day. Oh shit. Say something about the prophet Muhammad. If you want to get spicy.

Unknown_01: Okay. Let's say I want to do that. Well, uh, do you, do you, uh, you should, I gotta figure you should have a partnership with a VPN or something. Right. But I'm sure you look, you, you educate me.

1:31:36
Unknown_00: I don't really want to sponsor me. Yeah.

Unknown_00: Are you asking how you would safely do that right now? Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. can get a vpn um the two that are really popular right now are proton and mulvad they've had their pros and cons they're both okay i use both depending on what device i'm on uh but if you are poor or you just don't want to support a vpn company for whatever reason uh for absolutely zero cost to you you can go to uh i think it's the tourproject.org download the tor browser and you can access the kiwi farmers by tor if you just type in kiwifarms.st on the tor browser It might automatically redirect you, but if not, there's actually a little thing that I put in the responses that include the Tor URL and the Tor browser understands these responses. On every page, it will give you the option to click a button to switch to the Tor version. But if you're using Tor, even if it's Tor over ClearNet, you will have very good privacy and you don't have to memorize the dot onion URL if you don't want to. you can either use a vpn i think vpns are still um good in the uk they haven't enforced logs in them like they have in russia china and belarus so you can use a vpn or you can just use tor tor is very difficult to use but i go out of my way to support it so um there's no issues there

1:33:02
Unknown_01: If I want to support the Kiwi farms, what's the best way to do that?

Unknown_00: Uh, take out your checkbook, which you have and, uh, fill in the, the number to whatever you want, make it out to low Cal LLC, LOL, Cal LLC, and mail it to PO box 8 1 5 8 in South Charleston, West Virginia, 2 5 3 0 3.

Unknown_01: Oh, wow. Okay.

Unknown_01: For some reason, I saw that locale. I thought that was Keem. I thought it was Keemstar.

Unknown_00: No, that motherfucker is trying to steal my brand. He's trying to make everything locale. Hey, no, I incorporated locale in 2016, way before locale live. He's trying to jack my swag. See how it is.

1:33:37
Unknown_01: The, uh, because you're here, I do have like, um, just some things I've been wanting to ask my whole life. If you're, if you're still good on time about locales, uh, I would consider you a subject matter expert if there is one.

Unknown_00: Yeah. I'm not an expert on all things, but if there's anything close to an expert on this earth in regards to silly people on the internet, I'd probably come close to that definition.

Unknown_01: So I'm not like an old head or know everything. I watch like Kino Casino. I like watching their segments, like shooting on review tech and stuff like that.

1:34:12
Unknown_01: What am I like? do you what do you think about like one thing i see in all these sort of people and behaviors how much of loyal caldom is like just addiction is it just it seems like there's a lot of it

Unknown_00: I would disagree with that. I think that there are tons of people out there who are addicts. You know, their boss, Ben Jack, is a very bad drug addict, a very bad gambling addict. But he is definitely not a locale because of his addictions. There are many people out there who are gambling addicts and drug addicts who don't have a third on the forum. And if they did have a third on the forum, it would suck ass. the boss man is, it's just funny. He's got a funny personality. He's got a funny way of presenting himself. Uh, I would say that the number one defining characteristic of a locale is, well, number one, they have to be on the internet basically is a, is a requirement. They have to voluntarily put themselves out on, on the internet. Uh, number two, though, in regards to actual personality, they must actively refuse good advice. They must actively go out of their way to, uh, never learn. And the better they are at that, the better a locale they are. That's why Chris is considered the classic because he never learned none a day in his life to be ever learn a lesson from the, from the prior day. And he made the same mistakes all the way up to when I was last talking to him a years ago that he was making in two thousands, you know, like 2007 getting tricked by the same tricks and he never learned. And he's not really an addict to anything. He's autistic, but he's not an addict. Boss Man Jack, I mean, you want to see the definition of insanity. That guy does the exact same shit over and over again. He presses the lose money button and he gets angry that he lost money. Sure, that's a gambling addiction, but he's cognizant of it and he refuses to in any way improve anything. Review Tech USA, I mean, what's he addicted to food and pot i mean that's not really how many people out there are fat and smoke pot that aren't wool cows a lot of people millions of people are fat and smoke pot and aren't little cows on the kiwi farms review tech usa what makes what makes him likes like what makes review tech review tech and i don't know a whole lot about him but every time i see a clip of him He is just the most smarmy, insufferable cocksucker I've ever heard. His voice like instills like a vitriolic hatred of him.

1:36:37
Unknown_01: i love him because he's my favorite one just because he's just the most childish liar because i don't think that would sum up anyone you know that's not boss man jack or anything but he just cannot he just it's like someone's like god made a person that just cannot tell the truth i it's a way it's there's a lot of girl cows that are like that amberlynn and chantal they can't they can never

Unknown_00: Amberlynn in particular to the point where it's almost like she's a pathological liar. It's like you have no reason to lie about the things that you do, but you do it anyways because I think you find it funny to lie to people. You know what I mean? Who are the... I've tried to tell people about Boss Man Jack.

1:37:13
Unknown_01: Have you seen the video where he's riding with his mother to buy crack? he just looks so happy yes excuse me yeah he can't he can't he doesn't have a car so he tells his mom that he wants to go meet a friend real quick and he's just driving over to uh his drug dealer's house to get some crack i'd like to call it he likes to call everything a ruski like he'll go for a two for ruski or something like a double double ruski he adds like a ruski as like a suffix to things to make it fun so i call it crack ruski crack rock

1:37:55
Unknown_00: So that's this down.

Unknown_01: Yeah. Who, who are there any, any other up and coming rookies of the year that, that, that you would recommend other than say like boss, man, by the way, real quick on boss, man, if you're, if you're deep in Boston, how many, could you estimate what how much money was boss man making a year at his a year oh man when when he was in his best situation he was on kick.com and he was also on stake every day i want to say they gave him

1:38:29
Unknown_00: a thousand dollars i think at least a thousand dollars to gamble with on stream and then on top of that i want to say he had 2 000 subs so he was making like like what like nine thousand dollars just straight subs not including um any juicers he got because he when he ran out of money people would just give him thousands of dollars to play with and he was also getting a thousand dollars a day i think i think this thousand it might even be higher it might be two thousand at his absolute peak um and then i want to say he had a different revenue stream i added this all up at his peak and i want to say it was like twenty thousand dollars a month that he was making um you know obviously he would he's supposed to lose and gamble back a lot of his money that he gets from stake but if he had just set up his account so that his kick payments for instance would go to his dad he would be in a great shape sure lose your gambling money every day get juicers and lose that too who gives a your dad's making taking home nine thousand dollars a month to take care of you like that's like that's what he should have done but now he gambled that too

1:39:35
Unknown_01: yeah i mean like there's there's professional athletes that make that kind of money i mean that's it's it's crazy uh yeah love bossman jack who are the is there anyone else out there the up-and-comers that i'm sure you get you see all everything i mean the the big locales right now are like fading star streamers um my other personal muse is destiny the uh

Unknown_00: Does he go by any other name the Omni liberal on Twitter? You may know him as the guy that kick-started Voucher's career He's currently facing a lawsuit for non-consensual pornography revenge porn to girl He's almost got as many lawsuits as you do now Oh, I mean, theoretically he could, there's only one that's filed, but, um, he's gotten into trouble recently where it found out that one of the girls he was sharing pictures of was underage. Uh, her boyfriend was prostituting her online basically. Um, and, uh, he didn't ask for ID and he claimed that he had 60 or had had access to 60 gigabytes of pornography that her pimp boyfriend was sharing around. Like his it's crazy. Cause he's like so big. and it was always like he was so like sexually promiscuous he had an open relationship and everyone was just all of his fans because they're super progressive they're just like he's just a cheeky little gooner he's just our little gooner you know he's our little goon boy and he's just like everything's consensual everything's above board and then it comes out oh he's sharing pornography of all his all of his uh all the girls that send them nudes it gets sloshed around in a big pile and shared with everybody without their knowledge

1:41:12
Unknown_00: Yeah, well, that's my my favorite locales are not usually like boss man. Jacks are like super mentally ill people like Chris.

Unknown_00: I like people who have a lot to lose and at any point they can just shut the fuck up and stop being a retard. And for whatever reason, there is some compulsion where they're just like, Yeah, I got to burn everything that I have to the ground. I just got to burn it all. It's too good to me.

Unknown_01: yeah i mean how many times could ricada have just shut the camera off and just retired wealthy he could have just tread water as he was doing and and been like a proper celebrity been like i think a legal eagle is the guy now who gets million view videos and it looks really sharp in his suit and his like book room and stuff he could have been like a legal eagle he could have been someone who shows up on fox fox news correspondent nick ricada has his legal take on this latest filing against president donald j trump

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Unknown_00: Mr. Rakeda, what do you think will be happening here? And now he's just the guy whose kid tested positive for cocaine. And it's like all he had to do was put the brakes on it.

Unknown_00: And that, by the way, that's a great example of what you were asking before. Yeah, he's an addict. He was addicted to cocaine and also addicted to alcohol.

Unknown_00: But it was his personality, his absolute personality. um just insane level of narcissism that made him into the nick ricado that we know now it wasn't the drugs and alcohol that was a component of it but he sought out the drugs and alcohol because he thought he was a fucking rock star oh that's that's that's perfect that's perfect merrick do you have anything

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Unknown_02: uh this is not my field of expertise but yeah i mean all i would say is that people think that narcissism means that you have a really high opinion of yourself etc but i mean a lot of times it's not that's not the case like it is all about them but they're also incredibly self-destructive and i think they i i my theory is they hate themselves too like they think that they're they're you you phrase this great one time that like i'm a piece of and i'm the center of the universe at the same time i think that i think that's what compels them to self-destruct but but you know i don't i don't know much about about the subject who's the guy that made gonzo journalism

Unknown_00: hundred s thompson there's a lot of people on the the forum who have threads who think they are hunter s thompson and they they think they're this shining star that has to burn twice as bright you know what i mean and it's just like you're really not and you really don't have to be and i guess would you would that fit your definition of like a narcissist or they're like they think they're special because they're like in the the mud of things even though they're like a piece of I mean, Hunter S. Thompson himself was a good example of that.

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Unknown_02: But I think the key with him and why people liked them was that he was self-aware enough to know like, yeah, I am a piece of shit and this is kind of a joke. And most people... who have that personality aren't able to do that and i that's that's probably what drives you to to self-destruct your life like uh destiny and people like that is that you just don't have that little bridge between the two parts of your brain it says like hey i'm kind of i'm kind of ridiculous i mean thompson died of alcohol poisoning didn't he no he she killed himself yeah okay he invited people over and he made like a a grand event of it didn't he mark

1:44:41
Unknown_02: I don't, I think he, no, I think he waited until his wife left and he wrote like a really, really poignant suicide note that's just basically, you know, and he swallowed a shotgun. And yeah, that's, it do be that way sometimes for those people.

Unknown_01: It's I'm a worthless piece. I'm a worthless piece of shit that the entire world revolves around. I got that from Dr. Drew.

Unknown_02: Yeah, that's perfect.

Unknown_01: Excellent. Well, thank you. Thank you for your time. I everyone's cheering for you against the United Kingdom that you're going to win. You're going to bring home. the gold uh maybe farms live for live for a thousand years we didn't have time for it but uh i mean to me one of the greatest like i thought you were cooked uh during the keffel's drama people want to read about that i'm sure it's all my wikipedia and stuff that's the positive poly you know the whole industry came down on us just a website i don't have a lot of money i don't have resources but we uh we found a way and we found a way because

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Unknown_00: in large part because I sat down every day and I looked at the lay of the land. Everything was completely destroyed. Everything was shut down again. I'm just like, okay, why haven't I tried now? Eventually, it's not all my work. There's one guy in particular, he's Polish. I love the Poles, by the way. The Polish are the best people on the planet. And he was a stoner. He quit Weebly. At the time, he was a stoner, and he was super into network engineering. And he basically sat down and he said, look, this is what you got to look for. Let's try this. And we literally just... would plug things in. And if it would blow the fuse on that and it would be, we'd pull it out and we'd swap in something else. And we did that for months and months and months. And the, the trunes kept sending their nasty grams to service providers saying that they were open for liability, that we're killing people, yada, yada, yada. And eventually we just found a consortium of providers that could both handle DDoS attacks and handle tranny sending nasty letters. And, um, you know, It was really, really, really, really scary and really dark in there. And the scariest thing was knowing that if the site went away, they would just start to tie me up in litigation and they would try to ruin my life and drive me to suicide if they could. And so a part of it was just self-preservation where it's like, if they kick this support structure out from under me, they're going to go after me as hard as they possibly can. But thankfully that didn't happen and they lost and everything's on the up and up and we're going to win.

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Unknown_01: you won where so many people failed and you did not win during during a times of like uh everything was great the legal environment was great i remember seeing new york you know we we have a journalist that that's regular pearson new york times comes to this show and uh you know he talked and he tells us like look if you're a journalist that's I'm not, this is not his words, but it's more or less like you're like a Senator. These people have immense power in the United States. It's just how things are. And they were all coming after you and you want, I don't know, there should be a movie of that. I don't know if you have a website, a podcast people confer to, to get the whole story on that.

1:47:32
Unknown_00: I do. I do a little info laundering to try and make my site, which is terminally unprofitable, profitable. I do a podcast on that at the internet at. Matt at the internet.com or M a M a T I dot live. And I stream every Friday and I talk mostly about weird people on the internet, but I also complain very loudly about everything.

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Unknown_00: Excellent.

Unknown_03: Thank you. Thank you very much, Josh. Thank you. I'm sorry.