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I am the king of Hong Kong, Lao Di!
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Unknown_00:
All right, hello everybody. I hope you're having fun. That's Brother Hal. He is an African immigrant to China. I think he actually, I think he has his passport now, doesn't he? Or do you not know? You don't keep up on Brother Hal? Yeah, I'm asking you. Me? Yeah, you.
Unknown_03: Okay, no, no, no. No, no, no, he doesn't. Sorry, I thought you were going to introduce me first, how rude is that?
Unknown_00: I'm going to segway into the introduction, but you need to tell me, everybody is curious about the welfare of Brother Howe.
0:03:06
Unknown_03:
Oh, he's probably doing a couple of DVD player ads, and, oh, probably not DVD players anymore, just, you know, like, restaurant ads, some new high-tech thing, you know?
Unknown_00: No, I'm going to look this up, I'm pretty sure he got naturalized.
Unknown_00: Hao Ge, which I guess is how you say brother Hao in Chinese. Yeah, Hao Ge.
Unknown_00: Oh, he's applying for citizenship. I don't think... He's trying so hard. Give him his fucking passport. What's wrong with you? Yeah, that guy's old.
Unknown_02: He's 37. Fuck.
Unknown_00: He had to study Chinese for like 15 fucking years to be that good and you're still not giving him a passport.
0:03:50
Unknown_03:
Well, I mean, we all know, we all know about the Zuck. He's tried hard. He's tried hard.
Unknown_03: Zuck? Like Zuckerberg? Zuck. He's Zuckerberg.
Unknown_03: He went to like, he went to like the Chinese uni for like several years. He like even asked,
Unknown_03: you know, our dear leader to name his first child or something. That's creepy. And Uncle T's just like, eh, nah.
Unknown_00: Yeah, I wouldn't, that's really fucking, I don't know who you are, lizard person. Get the fuck out of China. You're creepy.
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Unknown_00:
We don't need your Facebook.
Unknown_00: Here, let me catch you up a little bit, because you are kind of quiet.
Unknown_00: All right, let me know if it's if you still quit.
Unknown_00: Is there are quite one, two, three testing. Okay, that's perfect. That's perfect.
Unknown_03: Hey everybody.
Unknown_00: I think that's better than me at this point. All right. So, uh, I think the first thing I just want to bring up because people were asking about this, we actually talked about this like a year ago and it wasn't news then, but now it is news.
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Unknown_00:
Um, the, the thing about the titty loans with the thoughts, I'll bring up the vice article for it. Uh, sorry, the what? The titty loans, the nude picture loans.
Unknown_00: Cause that's the, that's the big recent news. Oh, the nerd lines. Yeah.
Unknown_00: Is it still a thing? Cause you told me like a year ago that they were cracking down on that. Yeah. So it, it, it, it came into prominence, I think back in 2016 it was just, it was basically just a new way for
Unknown_03: I guess budding, it was started off by a group of budding young venture capitalists who basically wanted to be in the loan sharking business, but also they were younger than the traditional loan sharks. And I guess they just had a crazy idea and wanted to have a bit of fun with it. So essentially, and because there's a big sort of economic gap, in China, you know, which opens it up to this this sort of stuff. They had a crazy idea where they would just get young girls, university girls and stuff like that, to send in nude photos as collateral as security for them to keep the for them to, you know, make sure that they make the repayments on the loan.
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Unknown_03:
Unfortunately, it ended up that they got hacked. And there is now 10 gigabytes of
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young Asian women who owe money for pictures of themselves.
Unknown_03: Videos, photo IDs, you know, basically, they each sort of started with a video saying, my name is blah, blah, blah, this is my birthday, I am voluntarily declaring that I am using nudes as collateral and I borrowed this much and I need to pay back this much within one month usually it ranged from anywhere between like a couple of thousand yuan
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which the exchange rate is about one to eight US dollars, I think.
Unknown_03: So, you know, one to 2000, which needs to be returned in one month with interest, usually interest is like anywhere between 20% to 40%, something like that, within one month. It's a good deal. I mean, they're loan sharks after all.
Unknown_03: And if they don't, then obviously the threat is they release their nudes.
Unknown_03: I suppose most of them probably did pay back their loans. Culturally, Chinese people are very good at saving and paying back their loans.
0:07:50
Unknown_00:
Well, you told me this when it was first happening, when it was first getting outlawed, but nobody had had their nudes leaked, so I guess this is... No, no, that's why it became outlawed, because it got leaked.
Unknown_03: Not actually because of the loan cut, because they didn't repay it.
Unknown_00: I thought it was because they were killing themselves that they didn't repay it.
Unknown_03: No, well, they were killing themselves because their nudes got leaked.
Unknown_00: Oh, even though they did? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unknown_03: Most of most most of them, I imagine, would have.
0:08:24
Unknown_03:
I mean, it's, you know, holding your nudes is big collateral.
Unknown_00: Was this, um, did the leak happen like a year ago? The big hack that happened? Or was that recent?
Unknown_03: Yeah, like 2007, I think it was. 2017, right?
Unknown_00: Not 2007. 2017. Sorry, I'm about I'm an old man.
Unknown_00: So, God, I wonder why fucking Vice is reporting this now, because it took them a year to learn of this, I guess.
Unknown_03: Yeah, look, Chinese news takes a long time, probably just because of the language barrier. A lot of shit takes a long time to get into the Western media.
0:08:58
Unknown_00:
Yeah, because I mean what my take on it when when it happened is that they wanted they went a lot specifically because it was causing women to kill themselves when they When they need as many women as possible in China to to sure up the population to stay up to stabilize the population just as a general sort of a
Unknown_03: rule, I guess there's not really a system of what China does. Okay, literally, they can do one thing change their mind for n number of reasons. So it's not like a system of, oh, we can't have women killing themselves, because, you know, we need more women in the population that was literally, oh, this is bad. Let's change the law.
Unknown_03: There was a, there was a, in 2000 and, oh, it would have been 2000 and maybe 14, maybe, maybe a couple of years earlier than that.
0:09:54
Unknown_03:
So, and this is, this is slight tangent, but I don't know, I think in the US traffic laws are if you, if the light's yellow, you can still technically go through.
Unknown_03: So China traditionally has been,
Unknown_03: if it's yellow you can't go through and then they changed it as a trial for like a little while where it turns yellow you can go through okay no actually no China if it's yellow you can go through but then they decide to clamp down on it and they made it so that if it's yellow you can't go through and then people complained and literally three days later that law got overturned like on a federal level like the tippy-top this man happened and was
0:10:36
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No, I believe it was a state level.
Unknown_03: Well, I guess that's less, I guess that's less significant.
Unknown_00: Are you familiar with, um, I think it's ADC China or ADV China.
Unknown_02: No, what's that?
Unknown_00: It's these guys that are right around on motorcycles and they talk into a, uh, like, I don't know what the, the, the connection is between the motorcycles and talking, but they basically ride around on these motorcycles and they're talking into cameras and mics in their helmet.
Unknown_00: and a
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Unknown_00:
Oh, it's that creepy British dude.
Unknown_00: Sir Pencil? I don't know if he's British. I think it's just called ADV China and they said they recently left. And what triggered that specifically was the streamer who did a cute version of the National Anthem and is currently sitting in jail. And they like completely unperson-turned-deleted all over social media.
Unknown_03: Is that true? That's actually so funny. I'm looking up ADVChina.
0:11:54
Unknown_03:
The Shad and Frodo meme is just completely true.
Unknown_00: Why is that funny? They left because of this young girl having her life completely ruined because she's saying the national anthem to the displeasingly- Oh, it's just some young girl, not the ADVChina people.
Unknown_03: Yeah, no, they're out.
Unknown_00: They brought their Chinese wives back home. They're safe. They left because the streamer was arrested. and a
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She wasn't a nobody. She had millions of followers across their media platforms. I think she was a Twitch streamer, and this was right before the Twitch ban.
Unknown_00: And she basically sang the anthem in a cutesy way, in a kawaii way. And Xi Jinping was like, I don't know. You got to go to prison. You fucked up.
Unknown_03: I've never heard of this. So bring it on. I'd be interested. They'd throw you in jail for that. Fuck China is scary.
Unknown_00: Yeah, that's what that was. The video I watched just before this was a a. The title of the video was China is changing in a scary way. I think that's how how they put it. And they're talking about, you know, what you showed me before with the basically not only not only does China have CCTV everywhere like the UK does, but they have, you know, it's starting to. It hasn't yet.
0:13:25
Unknown_03:
But that's the that's the plan. That is the plan.
Unknown_00: But it has facial recognition technology. So basically, they can keep track of where you go whenever you go.
Unknown_03: Yeah, look, they're developing, you know, you could you could say it's probably in maybe alpha or beta at the moment. The you know, it's still it's still being tested. It's not everywhere. It's not rolled out. They don't yet have the infrastructure, the same infrastructure as the UK where they install cameras everywhere. But you know, being China, it's probably very fast.
0:13:57
Unknown_03:
understand last year, they caught there were three instances of criminals that got caught.
Unknown_03: You know, wanted criminals because they actually wandered into a concert or they went to a concert and then the facial recognition, pick them up and they got arrested. So three instances of, you know, I guess you could call it payoff.
0:14:34
Unknown_00:
People are cheering on Xi for being on Thought Patrol. It's a big thing right now. People are very happy to see women get wrecked by the system. Have you heard of the Thought Audit?
Unknown_03: I have yes, that's that's quite funny. I actually I really think that's that's fucking What are they actually doing I probably know more about the thought of the knee than the China and then the Chinese one Wait, what are you asking what they know what they're doing?
0:15:09
Unknown_00:
What are they doing in China? Like oh, I think it's not the same as an exported.
Unknown_03: Oh
Unknown_00: This is just an arrest based off a new law in 2017. The government introduced a law that made it a criminal offense to disrespect the national anthem, modifying lyrics, distorting the music, or misrepresenting it in any way, and being thrown into jail for 15 days. Well, I guess that's not that bad. That's kind of shit, but it's not... Yeah, it's kind of shitty. But it's not as bad as I thought it would I thought they would just like kill her or something But she's her career is over because they completely like destroyed They totally deleted all of her social media and that's what that was her job.
0:15:50
Unknown_03:
Ah Well shit, I understand they introduced a new law just recently probably in the last I
Unknown_03: month or so that if you owe more than $15,000, I'm not sure if that's dollars or yuan, but if you owe more than that in taxes, you can't leave the country.
Unknown_03: That's funny. They just put full-on travel bans.
Unknown_03: This was all triggered by
Unknown_03: The big Chinese movie star, Fan Bingbing, she's a good-looking girl.
Unknown_03: On her tax returns, she filed a certain amount, and it turns out that she accidentally leaked some of her actual payment checks and stuff like that. It turns out she was making something like 300 times what she declared in her tax, and she had to basically end up paying something like $8 million US in tax.
0:16:34
Unknown_00:
I would fuck you over in the United States. They would put you in jail for that in the US.
Unknown_00: Well, they're supposed to be in jail.
Unknown_03: Well, the the irony of that is that, you know, you definitely go to jail for that in China, too. But, but what happened about eight years ago was that some well beloved provincial leader fucked up on his tax.
Unknown_03: And he was going to go to jail too, for the same sort of reason. And they made a loophole. They made a loophole in the law that basically allows you to fuck up once, literally to save this guy. And that's what the law is funding being used.
0:17:14
Unknown_00:
That's funny.
Unknown_03: And now she's not going to jail. But she's been given a stern warning, paid, you know, like eight million US or some shit in taxes.
Unknown_00: It's funny that they even care enough to let her use that loophole. You would think they would just say, well, you know, you fucked up once this other time. So we're not even going to play this game with you. You're just fucked. Sorry. It doesn't apply to women.
0:17:48
Unknown_03:
Yeah, look, if she was somebody else, they would have probably thrown her in jail. I probably would have. Like, literally, it's because they didn't want to throw her in jail.
Unknown_03: There's not exactly like, the system of law is literally whoever the guy who's currently on toppest of the top decides. So it might not have been Xi Jinping who decided this, but it was somebody sufficiently high enough that just didn't feel like throwing Fan Bingbing in jail on the day. If he felt the other way, she'd be in jail right now. That's basically how it works.
0:18:20
Unknown_00:
Well, I was going to warn people at the start of this that I would expect you to be usually, at least compared to Western standards, more sympathetic to China. I definitely am.
Unknown_03: We just maybe haven't touched on a lot of that. But by Western standards, at least by
Unknown_03: China fearing Western standards. I'm definitely more pro-China. At the end of the day, look, I'm more centrist than anything. I kind of take everything as is and I'll, you know, I see the pros and cons of both. And I guess I'm quite comfortable and relaxed about it because I, you know, personally, I'm confident that I can navigate my way through China well enough to not have any issues.
0:18:56
Unknown_00:
somebody in the
0:19:39
Unknown_03:
we did some work with the Chinese translating some software and stuff like that. I'm not a software engineer by the way, so don't ask me to something anything too technical, but basically they seem to work at a speed of about seven times that of the West, everything. It's sort of a good
Unknown_03: a good standard to work on. Anything in China will happen seven times faster.
Unknown_03: We basically gave them a big phrase, something like, you know, 35,000 phrases to translate, to internationalize a piece of software. We gave them six months to translate it. They came back like 30 days later and said, here, look, we'll translate it. And our And our company, which at the time was Australia's biggest software company, just didn't know what the fuck to do because literally we planned for this to come back in six months, it came back in one month, we had nothing allocated to go the next step for it.
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Unknown_03:
So we were kind of fucked.
Unknown_00: Somebody's asking now, like, why is it, why is a Chinese person in Aussie land? And I'm pretty sure Australia and New Zealand are just Chinese colonies at this point.
Unknown_03: the fifth
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Unknown_03:
And I didn't speak a word of French. I only spoke English and Chinese and nobody fucking speaks a word of English in Paris. But hey, look, I got along fine just speaking Chinese. I bought phone card, I bought the plug adapters, I ate food.
Unknown_03: You know, I didn't really have to speak any other language other than Chinese.
Unknown_00: It was great. Pigs feet.
Unknown_03: No, I had chicken feet.
Unknown_00: I'd skip that on leg day. You went to a fucking fancy Parisian restaurant and you got pigs feet.
0:21:38
Unknown_02:
Oh, no. Yeah. Okay. No, that, that, yeah.
Unknown_03: Sorry. I thought you meant the Chinese one. I was thinking of a Chinese one. No, I went to like some fancy, well, fancy in quotation marks. It looked fancy. It acted fancy. It was bullshit. French food is garbage.
Unknown_07: Literally, I thought I was going to get dumped.
Unknown_03: Oh, okay.
Unknown_03: I was expecting like a pork knuckle, you know, if you go to any German restaurant or you order there, I think it's called a Schweinhacksen or something like that. It's basically a pork knuckle. It's meaty. It's delicious. It's got crackling. Oh, it's just so good. It's mouthwatering, right? And I thought, all right, so this must be the same thing, you know, because France, Germany, very close to each other.
0:22:16
Unknown_03:
So what are the pig trotter? And no, it was just the sad tiny foot. It wasn't a pork. It was literally the foot with the toes.
Unknown_03: And this one, I should say the Chinese have pig trotters as well, which are sort of stewed in like spices and soy sauce. And it was actually fucking delicious. And they keep the fat on it and the gelatin. It's actually amazing. The French just had the sad,
0:22:51
Unknown_03:
little pig foot with all the toes and you can tell it was a pig's foot and it was just sort of cut off at the ankle and it had the nails on it and it smelled awful.
Unknown_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unknown_00: They didn't know how to tell it.
Unknown_03: Yes, it had tendon and shit. But this was a particularly skinny trotter. So there wasn't any even like any meat on it. And it just smells like a pig foot. If that's a that's any way to describe like, like, like, okay, so the Africans I know they eat pig foot. I've never had African pig foot. A lot of a lot of a lot of you know, ethnicities eat pig for the Chinese eat pig foot. We turn pig foot into food. It's it's we like coated spices, herbs, you know, stuff like that. It turns out delicious. Okay, we stew it so it's soft, it's edible, it's delicious.
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Unknown_03:
The French kind of just boiled it and not and it must be kind of like semi al dente because they didn't boil it very well. It was just this pale looking thing.
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Unknown_03:
It was pale, it was sad, it was tiny, it smelt like a pig's foot, and it wasn't tasty. And it was like 14 fucking euro.
Unknown_00: Which is, I think, 25 bucks?
Unknown_03: It's like 25 US, I think.
Unknown_00: No way, it's not that much.
Unknown_03: I mean, we can have a look. I mean, you know, 14 EUR to USD is...
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Unknown_06:
the fifth
Unknown_03: All right, guys, take take your trips. Take your trips to Europe right now. If the airfare is cheap, you're getting you're getting good value. You're getting good value.
Unknown_00: You're getting good value. And it might be the last time you have to see that.
Unknown_03: Don't go to Paris.
Unknown_00: Go to Paris if you want to riot. There's a riot going on with Paris right now. Yeah, if you want to if you want to vape at the at the Arc de Triomphe.
0:25:09
Unknown_00:
Do you want to wear your yellow vest?
Unknown_03: Wear your yellow vest and basically just breathe in like, you know, fumes.
Unknown_00: Well, you mentioned, um, the Chinese, the Chinese, everything being a Chinese colony, which some actually, before I ask you about Africa, because Africa is something that's going to be fun to talk about.
Unknown_03: Oh, do we want to answer the guy with a question about the tech cities?
Unknown_00: to a a a a
0:25:53
Unknown_03:
Okay, so chicken's feet is actually fucking delicious, right? Just go to any, what do you call it? We call them, you might call them dim sum or dim sum restaurants. They're basically like Southern Chinese restaurants. They're either called yum cha or
Unknown_03: or they're called yum chars in Australia. I think they're called like dim sum restaurants or something in the UK. And you might find some, if you manage to find a dim sum or a dim sum restaurant in the US, because I've only seen like sort of shitty Chinese takeaways. Okay, so chicken feet. The way to make it not disgusting and actually fucking delicious, to actually make it delicious is what they do with chicken feet is they will marinate it in
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black bean and garlic and chili, you know, for a certain amount of time.
Unknown_03: And then they will deep fry it so that it becomes crispy, all the skin and the mini tendon and stuff.
Unknown_03: And essentially it breaks down all the protein and cell walls and stuff by deep frying it. It basically breaks it down. And then they will steam it with black bean, garlic, and chili. And then it becomes puffy. And that's where you get, and that's where you get what the delicious flavor and you get the delicious texture and it's actually fucking amazing. And I'd recommend it. Like a chicken wing, like the meat.
0:27:18
Unknown_03:
No, no, it's it's it's the the meat literally the the the chicken feet Meat and there is some meat in the in the bone and stuff but the outer covering which is that sort of scaly skin that you see that becomes a puffy sort of uh That becomes a lot like just normal chicken skin. It becomes quite puffy and delicious Well, you you've converted a few people in chat to to winning chicken sweet.
Unknown_00: I I don't know. I'm not that Look, i'll see if I can
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Unknown_03:
it's a
Unknown_03: It is actually delicious. I'll give you a picture of what it's meant to look like.
Unknown_00: While you're doing that, somebody actually asked a really good question that I think we can knock out real quick. He asked about WeChat payments making credit cards obsolete. We've talked about this before, how paying with credit card is, to the Chinese, like paying with check in America. It's something that's like, why are you doing this? You're wasting my time. Just get WePay out and pay. Okay, look, I feel like we might have to do a couple more episodes on China because because like, it seems like we're kind of going over there's a there's a lot of stuff to talk about here now.
0:28:22
Unknown_03:
So basically, historically, China has skipped when when when the West had emails, China kind of missed out or skip that and went straight to like, personal messaging services. So it's so Chinese people will look at you weirdly if you ask for an email, they all kind of have an email.
0:28:55
Unknown_03:
But that's not the thing that they use, you know, email is kind of like our standard of communication in the West in China. No, it's it's more like any of the personal messaging services, generally WeChat. WeChat's huge, by the way, literally, it's, it's, people are more or less
Unknown_03: It sounds worse than it is when I say environment locked, because they're not, but it's so handy that you don't need to leave that environment of WeChat. So Chinese people skipped emails, went straight to personal messaging services, right? And then when the West got credit cards, China kind of skipped that and went straight to personal micropayment systems a la WeChat. So years ago it used to be all cash. All the Chinese stores not in China are still from the 70s. They're all cash. China is like an episode of Futurama these days.
0:29:35
Unknown_03:
everything from, even from the street vendor that sells chicken feet off of a fucking shitty looking cart. You can pay via personal payment systems. They've got a little code that's probably stuck on the corner of their cart. You, you snap that up with your phone and then you just pay them whatever amount. So it's more or less chicken feet cooked in gutter oil because gutter oil is the thing people are talking about right now.
0:30:13
Unknown_03:
So gutter oil was a thing 20 years ago.
Unknown_03: It's, I'm sure there's still gutter oil around. I mean, there's always, you know, pariahs, I guess, but mostly it's gone. Okay. So gutter oil is when, when restaurants, so regardless of where you are in the Western China, when restaurants, they cook all that stuff, you know, there's a lot of oil, there's a lot of trash and it basically more or less goes down the drain.
0:30:51
Unknown_03:
and by the end of a night in a restaurant district or in a street full of restaurants, the sewers or the gutters are basically filled with, you know, the refuse or bin juice as we call it here, but the top layer would just be oil from all the fucking cooking that's done, okay?
Unknown_03: And probably 20-30 years ago, even as close as probably 20 years ago, there would be small-time cottage industries where they would basically go open up a sewer grate and they would basically scoop all that, you know, the liquid out and then they'd take it back and then they'd like
Unknown_03: run it through a machine, a centrifuge or something, and essentially they'd extract the oil out, they'd boil it, they'd get, scientifically, they'd boil out and get rid of all the impurities and it comes out just like shiny brand new oil. At the end of the day, it's still fucking gutter oil, but that was quite prevalent about 20 years ago.
0:31:45
Unknown_03:
Look, a lot of this news that you get in the West is quite old.
Unknown_03: gutter oil is a very small, I would say like, lower than 10%. Now, probably even probably even lower realistically, I haven't been back to China for a while.
Unknown_03: Just just because it's the economies in the economy in China has changed drastically. It's not worth getting gutter oil anymore. And it's not worth the the massive risk of getting caught.
0:32:28
Unknown_03:
because they kind of clamp down really tight on that sort of thing. The Chinese consumer expect better now and unfortunately the Chinese middle class is a very strong, I'm not going to say a voting bloc because you don't get to do that in China, but it's a very strong, the equivalent of a lobby in the US I suppose.
Unknown_00: At the end of the day, as long as the food doesn't have gutter oil on it, they're complicit with whatever else is going on, basically.
Unknown_03: They're complicit with a lot of things, yes. There's certain things that they won't stand for, for example, gutter oil, you know? But a lot of other things like the disappearing ink girl. It's like it's okay.
0:33:08
Unknown_00:
It's fine is uh Is this just aussies shit posting is it are you just shit posting right now?
Unknown_02: No, no, I'd happily go to china.
Unknown_03: Um, look, uh last time I went was 2015 uh huge changes since then china has pretty much become
Unknown_03: In certain parts of it, kind of like an episode of Futurama, just because it is quite advanced, it is quite futuristic. A lot of homegrown Chinese companies, for example, what are your options when you buy an electric car in the West? Tesla. In China, you've probably got about 30 different options.
0:33:44
Unknown_03:
My family has an electric vehicle. It gets something like, you know, 100 miles a gallon or whatever the equivalent is.
Unknown_03: It basically costs like about two bucks per 100 miles or something like that. Maybe it's in kilometers. Maybe it costs about two bucks per 100 kilometers. That's how much it costs their electric car to run. It's made by BYD, which is a Chinese car company. There's probably like maybe like 10 to 30 other electric car options.
0:34:25
Unknown_03:
And they're not very expensive in the West. You can pay out the ass for a fucking, you know, musk flavored Tesla and that's basically your only option in China. You've got a lot of options Okay, and on the last the last thing I can think of regarding food before we go back to Africa or go back to the AI cities.
Unknown_00: We'll do the AI cities. Hmm Yeah, is the the boy eggs people are desperate for information on boy eggs. I
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Unknown_01:
as in
Unknown_03: Oh, yeah. Okay. So, so the thing about thing about I guess, I guess, media or stories like that is that, you know, it's, it's, it's like that age old story where it's like, Oh, I built the school, but then they call me Bob, the school builder. No, they, you know, I built this, this fence that they call me Bob, the fence builder. No, but I, you know, I fuck one monkey and now I'm Bob, the monkey fucker sort of a thing. Just like that. So it's really not prevalent. I have no doubt that it probably still happens somewhere, but we are talking such a small, minute fraction of the population that does anything close to it. Yeah, look, it'd have to be some rural mountainous village. It'd have to be really far off. China is actually vastly, vastly different to what is in most Westerners' minds.
0:36:05
Unknown_03:
even sort of like woke individuals, I suppose.
Unknown_00: The real question is if there's ever been virgin boy eggs cooked in gutter oil.
Unknown_00: That would be the ultimate Chinese delicacy. I'm going to say, I'm going to say no.
Unknown_03: I'm going to say no, logically, because gutter oil is a city thing. Virgin Boy eggs is like a mountainous rural village, you know, deep fuck off, sort of. I never, I will never end up here, sort of a place thing.
Unknown_00: What are milk dogs? Is that like a, have you heard of that before?
0:36:38
Unknown_03:
No, I haven't. What's a, what's a milk dog?
Unknown_00: I don't know. I imagine some people drink dog milk somewhere in China.
Unknown_03: Sure.
Unknown_03: I don't know. Honestly, I don't know what milk dogs are.
Unknown_00: All right. So did you have anything else to add to the AI cities?
Unknown_03: I understand dogs, by the way, are delicious.
0:37:13
Unknown_03:
I think in my life, two opportunities to eat dog. I couldn't. I personally, I really like dogs. They're loyal and animals showing loyalty is a good trait to have. I couldn't eat a dog. It's probably out of principle, but I've had two opportunities. I didn't want to.
Unknown_03: But apparently, and you know, I've seen, I've read articles, I've seen YouTube channels of like, even Westerners eating dogs, and apparently dog is delicious. And I'm really sad about that because, you know, I'm missing out on something that is delicious, unfortunately.
Unknown_00: Yeah, people are going to ask, well, why did the Chinese have no souls? Why are they a hive mind, an insectoid hive mind?
0:37:49
Unknown_03:
Because they're not Christians.
Unknown_03: they're not Jewish, really.
Unknown_00: Let's be honest. Jewish or Christians, whichever denomination subscribes to the concept of souls, we don't have that. We read something yesterday about a Jewish convert being mad that ethnic Jews don't call her Jewish.
Unknown_00: And somebody replied to her message saying that in one of the Jewish books, it says that when a Jewish couple sleeps together and they don't produce a baby, they still create a soul and that soul goes to the Jewish converts. So, you know, you got those Jewish couples hard at work producing souls and shit, but they, you know, it goes to the Christians first and not the Chinese. You know, the Chinese is such a big market and it's hard to get imports for Jewish souls in China.
0:38:32
Unknown_03:
Yeah, it's not a fashionable or trendy thing. It became so a little bit like 10 years ago, but I think it died down probably. I think the government Put a stop to it, just by a brute force, I think. The Jews just need to market the souls as being an aphrodisiac that grows your penis.
Unknown_00: And then you'll have fucking, you'll have Chinamen in Israel forcing Jews to fuck so they can harvest the souls and send it back home.
0:39:14
Unknown_03:
They'll make factories.
Unknown_00: Like the pharaohs building pyramids with Jewish labor, they'll just have Jewish sex factories for harvesting souls.
Unknown_03: I guess so.
Unknown_03: I mean, trust the Chinese to industrialize anything, really.
Unknown_00: All right, so AI cities.
Unknown_03: All right, AI cities. There was one in particular that was literally they just decided to build a city and make it like all advanced Xiaomi AI, you know. Let me look it up real quick. Do you know what off the top of your head? Do you know what it was?
0:39:49
Unknown_00:
and a
Unknown_03: I've got a Xiaomi phone.
Unknown_03: They've been called the Apple of China probably because of their aesthetic is kind of like nice sleek looking, but they're like, you know, maybe like a third of the price for the same thing. So they're good value. I've got a garbage, a trash can, a trash bin that, you know, opens up by itself and then like, it it has these blades in in lid that like heats up and seals the bag so you don't have to touch any trash really just press the button yeah yeah so so what it does is like you know you trash can yeah it's a shelby trash can it's got a it's got an infrared thing where you like wave trash in front of it opens up and you you chuck it in when it's full you push a button and these like two heated blades in the lid like crosses over and then cuts the cuts the top and then seals it so that now you've got like this sealed package of trash and then it opens up the lid by itself and you just take out the trash and it closes the lid by itself and then it vacuums down another bag so essentially on the lid it's like a big plastic tube that's all folded up and then you know that the blades in it the heated blades and it seals the bag And then and then obviously once the tube cut it vacuums the tube down With the seal bent down and then when it's when it's done It seals the top end which also seals the bottom end of the next bag and it vacuums the tube down further And then you throw the old trash down It's called the Xiaomi trash can you can just look it up on Google. I've recently bought one of those What else do I have? I have Xiaomi. I have Xiaomi lights all over my house. So I've got like a
0:41:03
Unknown_03:
it's
0:42:02
Unknown_03:
I'm actually not sure, it might not be.
Unknown_03: It's definitely losing, has been losing for the last two years, mostly because of a homegrown competition, but also because it's become less trendy, like, you know, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, whatever.
Unknown_00: Yeah, that's true.
Unknown_03: That's true. Like 10 years ago, 15 years ago, whenever a new iPhone came out, the line outside would go for like a kilometer outside of an Apple store in China. Recently for the Apple, the iPhone 10,
Unknown_03: They put, you know, they put barricades to hide security guards. Literally, there was like six people in line. So it was a big difference. There's definitely a big difference in the market.
0:42:35
Unknown_00:
Well, I was tempted to get Xiaomi, actually, because my my Huawei met an unfortunate fate of getting crushed to death on my fat fucking ass.
Unknown_03: Yeah, also, also, they're also the CEO's daughter recently got arrested. So, you know, it's a bad, bad, bad omen. Bad omen. Time to change.
Unknown_00: Wait, who did?
Unknown_03: The Xiaomi? No, the daughter of the Huawei CEO recently got arrested in Canada. US looking to extradite her. China really pissed.
0:43:06
Unknown_03:
Very angry.
Unknown_03: She put in a court order to suppress the reasons. So we don't know the reason, but it's probably something to do with like, some antitrust, some basically trying to sneak in.
Unknown_00: Probably.
Unknown_03: trying to sneak in, you know, like Huawei technology, and doing various having various functionality that the US has banned.
Unknown_03: For example, like Amazon listening device.
0:43:40
Unknown_00:
Oh, oh, did they ban Amazons? I get fucked. That's such a creepy piece of shit. Didn't you buy one of those?
Unknown_03: Yeah, no, I have it. It's controlling my lights and all that.
Unknown_00: Xiaomi lights.
Unknown_03: Yeah, it's controlling my Xiaomi lights. That's about it at the moment.
Unknown_00: Okay. Oh, before I forget, you mentioned that Paris is a dump.
Unknown_00: Absolutely. A Russian woman asked me to ask you that her mom went to China at some point and said that the cities there were cleaner than the cities in Europe. I guess you would say that's on average?
0:44:17
Unknown_03:
Yes.
Unknown_03: Yes. Like I said, the picture of China is vastly different to what most...
Unknown_03: vast majority of Westerners think. Standards are very high now, especially in the international cities like Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, Shenzhen and stuff like that.
Unknown_03: When you have a burgeoning middle class that suddenly rises to economic
Unknown_03: validity, I suppose you could call it, they have demands and one of their, you know, as any middle class, one of their demands would just be clean streets. And when you have the number of people demanding clean streets, as you do in China, the government kind of has to do something because the last thing they want to do is piss off the middle class, you know, they don't want any sort of uprising.
0:44:56
Unknown_00:
So I guess what I want to save stuff about like a Chinese collapse for last because a lot of people are speculating that Especially with the the ghost cities that there's they're saying that's like a sign Okay, so the ghost cities thing was is like once again, it's like 10 year 10 15 year old news and
Unknown_03: There was this city in Urdos, it's a place in Mongolia, it's a mining town. They decided to build an entire city to support this mining town.
0:45:38
Unknown_03:
So now, obviously they all got snapped up, they all got bought up. But, you know, who the fuck wants to live
Unknown_03: in a mining town, really.
Unknown_03: But because of the culture, owning a house is still the thing that everyone wants to do. That's why, say in the US, the rental returns for a property is quite high compared to the actual cost of the property or the value. In China, it's the opposite. The rental returns is maybe 1% to 2% as opposed to about 5%.
0:46:16
Unknown_03:
the West and The housing prices to purchase is astronomical just because everyone wants to own they just feel culturally they just feel better about owning They fucking should like his renters are slaves the Bible verse about that.
Unknown_00: I think it's Proverbs 22 7 I told you about this. I told you about my body Yeah, no, I understand
Unknown_03: It's true to some degree. In the West, yes, just because you're paying a lot to rent. But in China, it makes more sense to rent right now just because you're paying very little. There's basically an economic cutoff point. There's basically a logical cutoff point to where it's better to rent than to buy or vice versa.
Unknown_03: Like it's nothing to do with principles or personal core values or anything like that. For me, it's literally there's an economic cutoff point somewhere.
0:47:07
Unknown_00:
All right, so let's go back to Africa, because we've been delaying that. I need to play Toto's Africa now.
Unknown_00: Yes. Okay, everybody knows, and I'll give some backdrop on this, everybody knows that in Africa, although I knew about this before most people, because you told me about it, that China was very heavily invested in particularly the Western Africa, correct? Like Nigeria?
Unknown_03: Western...
Unknown_03: Yes, I guess so. Yeah, Western Africa.
0:47:41
Unknown_00:
And they most people don't know this, but there is an African Union that is kind of the same as the European Union. And the African Union very generously had its headquarters built by China, I think, without any any money expected in return. Like China just built literally, literally just said, Hey, look, we're gonna build a headquarters for your African Union.
Unknown_03: right? It's going to cost 200 million us and we're just going to build it for you.
0:48:13
Unknown_03:
And 200 billion, 200 million.
Unknown_00: Oh, I was going to say Jesus fucking Christ. And the African union said, really?
Unknown_03: And China said, yes. African union said, cool. Thanks. Let's get it done. And they got it done.
Unknown_00: So In general, what you've described is that what China wants is wood. And Africa happens to have a lot of wood. So what they're doing right now is they're having the African countries sell them very massive trees so they can make tables out of them. Is that the truth?
0:48:46
Unknown_03:
Yeah, the general direction is correct, but it's not wood. It's literally any resource that African can stump up. We're talking gold, we're talking diamonds, we're talking wood, we're talking marble, rocks, literally anything that they'll cough up China will take.
Unknown_03: Look, the strategy here, now China, unlike the West, who I think works on election cycles, China has long, because it's one government, it has
0:49:21
Unknown_03:
lot, all its strategies are based in sort of long term investment.
Unknown_00: So that's why like, people ask, well, you know, Taiwan, Taiwan isn't really part of China, because it has this government like Taiwan and Hong Kong are on the plan. They've got 100 years, either they're going to become independent before this 100 year plan, or they're not going to be there, they're going to be completely integrated by the end of it. Because that's, that's how China works.
Unknown_03: Yeah. So basically, you know, they've done in the last probably 30, 40 years, they've done all sorts of things like, you know, they've slowly gotten all the little countries, you know, all the little, I'm gonna call them little shitty island countries in the UN to like, you know, vote with vote with them in a block. They've basically infiltrated Africa and sort of, sort of
0:50:04
Unknown_03:
Laying out essentially what the British did to like Asia and Africa, you know back in the Empire days the China are kind of doing the same thing Not not with guns, but with you know other I guess soft power as they say They're not rolling tanks on down
Unknown_03: Yeah, they're not doing they're not doing that anymore. It's more. Oh, so it's more things like this. So when I when I was in Paris, okay, there was I went to this little this Arabic corner store to buy some like ice cream because it was hot. And the the owner who was this sort of fat looking shake fella. Sheik fella. You know, he looked like, um,
0:50:46
Unknown_03:
who's that guy from? I don't know if you've ever seen apocalypse now. But that guy that talks like this is just this fat, you know, Egyptian looking fella. And he was from Egypt. And he said, Are you Chinese? And I said, Yes, why? And he said, Oh, thank you, my brother. Thank you. He almost came up and hugged me. And I was I was kind of afraid because it's because you know, it's it's Paris. But
0:51:22
Unknown_03:
But he was very friendly and he kept thanking me. And I said, thank you, thank you, thank you. And I said, oh, why? And he said, oh, because I come from this small island in or near Egypt or something. And even the government won't install any sort of infrastructure. And then Chinese Huawei came in and installed all the telecommunications.
Unknown_00: And now we all have the Turkish side of Cyprus.
Unknown_00: Sorry? Like the Turkish side of Cyprus?
Unknown_03: I don't know. I don't know what he just said. He lives on some small island. Maybe his English is shitty and he meant something else. But it was some small place where even his own government wouldn't install telecommunications. But Chinese Huawei just came in and installed telecommunications. Now, obviously, there's going to be all sorts of like listening devices. And this is a sort of a soft projection of power as well.
0:51:56
Unknown_03:
You know, now this entire island, including this this motherfucker who has a shop in Paris, who has nothing even to do with this island anymore, is thanking some random Chinese guy who had nothing to do with installation of his telecommunication system. But hey, you know, I'm being thanked.
0:52:29
Unknown_00:
Well yeah, he's like a guest in France, but if any fucking Chinaman wants to lay his head down, he's got a bed for him, apparently.
Unknown_03: Yeah, exactly. So you can see how, I guess, grateful these guys are. So I imagine China is basically doing that en masse just as a general political strategy.
Unknown_03: you know, they're paying off debts from the little island and stuff because, you know, they're basically buying their votes in the UN sort of thing. So this is sort of China's long-term strategy of, you know, getting soft power, asserting soft power. Now that doesn't mean China doesn't assert dominance.
0:53:10
Unknown_03:
which has become its sort of normal strategy within the last probably year and a half, two years now. And this is the scary part of China because you see some airlines acknowledging Taiwan or Tibet or something, and then suddenly their fucking CEO gets his dick cut off and management gets fired. Some guy loses his job, life gets destroyed. Chinese people are in uproar and suddenly, to do that
0:53:43
Unknown_00:
But basically on their website, they had like a little visa guide. So you selected what country you wanted to go to and it would give you information about how to rent a room at a suite in that country. Well, because the visa requirements for things like Taiwan and Hong Kong and China are all different, and a
0:54:57
Unknown_00:
But basically tweets outs is like thank you for listing Tibet as a separate country and some some poor minimum wage social media employee for the Marriott hotels clicks the like button on this tweet and Yeah, so it was it was a it was a guy who was being paid hourly as a casual guy He was from Omaha.
Unknown_03: His name was I Think Roy Jones.
Unknown_03: I think that's his name. You know, he loved his job
Unknown_03: you know it was just like his dream job and he basically hit like on a status and China didn't like it and then he totally got fired
Unknown_00: Well, you don't you didn't describe it in the best way. He didn't just get fired. The fucking communists shut down every Marriott hotel in the country. They flat out fucking evacuated these hotels and said, you're going to you're going to fix this. So Marriott had had to fire him. He got fired immediately. They had to delete the tweet. They had to say, we respect the territorial sovereignty of China or some shit. They had to alter their website. They didn't actually shut down.
0:55:50
Unknown_03:
but they threatened and that's a big threat. So Marion basically, yeah, it went into like emergency mode for a while.
Unknown_00: They fucked him, is what you're trying to say. You're being careful about it. No, China fucked him. They said, you will fix this. No, no, I'm not being careful about it.
Unknown_03: I agree with everything you said, but I prefer to be accurate.
0:56:27
Unknown_00:
Can you specifically mention something about sending in armed personnel to these hotels? I remember that. That sticks out to me.
Unknown_03: I can't really remember, but they might have sent basically groups with armed people as a show of force, as a dominance, which is, like I said, once again, it's basically China's strategy now.
Unknown_03: So, but yes, no.
Unknown_00: To get back on Africa though, you said like, I remember reading in Quora or something, China was taught, or somebody from Bangladesh, I want to say, that their country took out millions of dollars in loans from China to build infrastructure because they had had a civil war and they were trying to get back on their feet. And China was like the only country willing to foot the bill for basically rebuilding their country. So is China's game in Africa like that or are they just trying to like puppet these countries?
0:57:13
Unknown_03:
It's a very complex matter. I imagine there'd be a bit of everything.
Unknown_03: They'll do it any way they can. They'll basically do it any way they can. It doesn't really matter to China which way they do it.
0:57:51
Unknown_03:
There's a bit of that, the same thing that the US did I think in the 60s where they basically, what do they call it, like economic slavery. Essentially it's like you owe us, we'll lend you this money and you just work it off, but mathematically they'll never work it off. There's a bit of that going on too now.
Unknown_00: What, were they giving them crooked loans that they can't pay back?
Unknown_03: Not crooked loans, just very tilted loans towards China.
Unknown_03: Technically on paper, it's like, yes, this is how it works out. And it does work out eventually.
Unknown_03: Oh, here's a very good example. So China built the MRT system, I think it's called MRT, it's basically just like the rail system in an African country recently. It was great. It, you know, the good sides, first of all, pros, it mobilized an entire population, you know, basically little villages that had no access to cities had no commerce, because it was like, you know, three hours walk to the closest city. Now it's like a half an hour train ride, they take a train over or the MIT or whatever it is, they take a metro to the city, sell the shitty vegetables come back in the afternoon. Now they've made money. So it's it's boost economically, it's basically boosting a lot of people.
0:59:12
Unknown_03:
On the other hand, it recently got found out that about one third of the
Unknown_03: of the revenue from ticket sales of that train system were basically being pilfered by the group of the managers of the Chinese managers that were managing that train system.
Unknown_00: They were skimming it off the top like money?
Unknown_03: Yeah, they were skimming, yeah, and they were skimming about a third.
Unknown_00: That's not skimming! That's like taking a big fucking shark bite out of a fucking surfboard. Oh yeah, no, it was basically they were, you know, you buy a ticket, you know how every system you can issue a refund?
0:59:50
Unknown_03:
They were just issuing random refunds, you know. In short, TLDR, they would basically issue a bunch of refunds that were fraudulent and it went into their own pockets.
Unknown_00: Well, that's kind of shitty.
Unknown_03: a a a a a a a a a a a
1:00:34
Unknown_07:
Oh, yeah.
Unknown_00: I have to sign it. I have to sign in the fucking... Oh, I figured it out.
Unknown_00: You copied it from Google.
Unknown_00: In a weird way.
Unknown_03: Yes.
Unknown_03: Sorry. Those look like carrots, almost.
Unknown_00: Those are unsettling to look at, to be honest.
Unknown_03: I'm just... Don't think of them as chickens feet. Just think of them as, uh, you know, delicious... I mean, I mean... Oh, come on. You eat fish fingers, don't you?
Unknown_00: Yeah, but fish fingers are are like like shredded fish meat reformed into a into a finger shape. And yes, it's technically it's even less.
1:01:12
Unknown_00:
It's more processes easier to look at. I'm just thinking you could take the same meal and make it chicken wings. It would probably be a thousand times better.
Unknown_02: that if we ever go to the tension or some
1:01:50
Unknown_03:
You got you got you got chicken legs. You got chicken feet. You got the little octopus tentacles, you know, they basically If you If you steal three billion dollars from Kenya, you didn't just like just fucking steal from Kenya you fucking robbed it That's like stealing every brick of gold from the fucking Fort Knox.
Unknown_00: That's a that's a murder. What the fuck? Oh Yeah, well, he doesn't have 3 billion to give, nigga. Well, apparently it does.
Unknown_03: And you can see how large these economies are, you know, in terms of scale. So,
1:02:26
Unknown_03:
You know, like I said, it's it's got its pros and cons It means it the fact that they can steal three billion dollars or those of three billion dollars with the fraud or whatever the actual figure is It's basically a very large scale and it means that economies is definitely worth much much more Okay, the pros are yes, you get the money for the railroad and get the real room the cons are you got to deal with the Chinese?
Unknown_00: Yeah, no, that's that's exactly how it is I mean it is what it is
1:03:01
Unknown_03:
Like I said, I'm not as pro-Chinese as you make it out I am. I merely just state the facts. I think the difference is while most people might get exasperated over a certain fact or a figure, I'm just taking it as is. It's like, yeah, that's what happened.
Unknown_00: The one thing I remember the most about like your sayings you've told me some sayings of China the one where it's like if something like a Earthquake happens and a building collapses and a thousand people die in a horrible pile of flaming rubble Like people are just like yeah too many people were living there. Anyways, it's their fault That's
1:03:43
Unknown_03:
I don't think that's... did I say that? What did I say?
Unknown_00: He said that it's normal for the Chinese to look at a catastrophe with mass casualties, and say something along the lines of, well, it's their fault for... there were too many people there anyways.
Unknown_03: That might have been something I said. I think.
Unknown_00: Yes.
Unknown_03: Yeah, it might have just been a personal opinion. A personal opinion.
Unknown_00: Well, as we covered, the Chinese are an insect hive mind. So it's a saying now. It's in the hive mind. You didn't get that from nowhere.
1:04:20
Unknown_06:
Yeah, look, me being quite removed from all of that, I'm looking at it in the same way as the Marvel guy Thanos.
Unknown_03: his philosophy. It's like, you know, and I think the government to some degree looks at it in that way as well, you know, for mine. Like mine's collapsed in China every day, killing a bunch of people, but do you see them introducing new safety laws and safety rules? No, not really. That would fuck with the economy.
1:04:54
Unknown_03:
Well, no, because they just get another group of working poor to replace those dead guys.
Unknown_00: I'm saying it would fuck with the economy to add rules.
Unknown_03: Yes, it would it would it means you'd have to adhere to like safety standards and And you know that cost money and energy and you know the thing is something that the mind bosses don't really want to deal with Being a very sorry in the u.s.
1:05:29
Unknown_00:
That's like Trump's philosophy is that the EPA and all these different governmental regulations that have made it impossible to do business in the u.s. Have allowed China to take over and
Unknown_03: take over in the US or internationally?
Unknown_00: Well, to overcome the United States economy.
Unknown_01: domestically or internationally?
Unknown_00: In general, GDP of China is higher than the US now. And Trump blames that primarily on our oversight committees and regulations.
Unknown_03: Oh, look, my personal opinion on that is simply because China has just just the people power. Like when a market is
1:06:14
Unknown_03:
US is 300 million people, China is like four and a half times that, more than four times that. When talking about GDP, we're talking about China's GDP overcoming the US's, we're not talking about per capita, we're talking about overall GDP. And for a country with a population that's four times the US, of course, it's inevitable that the GDP will
Unknown_03: go over the US. But if you look at it per capita, US GDP is, you know, whatever 4040 maybe it's like 20 to 20 to 30,000 per capita China's still sitting at like maybe 10,000.
1:07:00
Unknown_00:
So when people say per capita, China's GDP, yeah, China's GDP is not is not, you know, is nowhere near beating the US per capita GDP.
Unknown_03: But when people say China's GDP is taking over the US GDP, it's it's the overall GDP. And I mean, come on, with a with a with a country, the population that has four times that of the US, of course, it's going to overtake the US.
Unknown_00: Well, eventually, and kind of, uh, I think, I think it already has, it happened mid, mid 17 or something. Yeah. Um, well you told me at some point, I think that what China wants to do, what it wants to do is be like the Americas in the 1950s with a high middle class and most of the, um, most of the unskilled labor being outsourced to African countries. Well,
1:07:52
Unknown_00:
Well, China, maybe it's a higher standard of living.
Unknown_03: That might be the plan. It's not working out so well because they're finding it difficult. Say it.
Unknown_00: Say it. You know you want to. Chat wants it. Say it.
Unknown_03: What am I saying? Well, I'll just say what I was going to say. I actually don't know what you know. But basically, they're finding the Africans difficult to work with due to cultural barriers and stuff like that. Language, culture, that sort of thing.
1:08:24
Unknown_03:
I think there was one thing and you know, don't take it as generalization because I only heard it once but they said the Africans are lazy.
Unknown_00: Yes, compared to the Chinese.
Unknown_00: That's, that's what yeah, that's okay.
Unknown_03: Okay. Yeah, basically the same the African workers were lazy.
Unknown_03: And honestly, compared to like the average Chinese worker, everyone's lazy.
Unknown_00: Well, they don't work 18 hours a day. Apparently they don't work any hours a day. Yes. That's why China's allowed to skim, can quote unquote skim a third of the fucking profit margin and nobody notices. Like somebody was walking and slipped and fell and the papers came tumbling out and they're like, what the fuck? This don't make no goddamn sense.
1:09:02
Unknown_00:
You know, it probably wasn't even fucking the Africans that discovered the fraud. It was probably like a Chinese tax audit. It was like they had to phone up Kenya and be like, you guys realize that you've you've they've stolen a third of the profit.
1:09:38
Unknown_00:
And it was just like, no. Yeah.
Unknown_03: I think they found it somehow because I was just missing it just the numbers just didn't just didn't make sense. I mean, when you're when you're taking a third of something that that's a big hole. A lot of evidence they should have just taken less, you know, instead of taking 100 100 million or, you know, 3 billion, they could just take 1 billion for fuck's sake.
Unknown_00: Let's not get greedy here.
1:10:12
Unknown_00:
Yeah, I know, right?
Unknown_00: It's the monkey hand in the gourd thing. So you gotta take less. You gotta take less if you want to get away with it.
Unknown_03: Exactly. You can't just have a fist full of seeds and now your fist is stuck in my hole.
Unknown_00: You get fisted by one monkey, and you're just the guy that got fisted by the monkey.
Unknown_03: You're Bob the Monkey Fister.
Unknown_00: Okay, um, covered the Marriott hotels.
1:10:47
Unknown_00:
Okay, people also asked about Chinese people letting their kids shit in public.
Unknown_03: Once again, it's probably like, actually, I've seen pictures.
Unknown_00: I've seen pictures of people. Yeah. That's the thing that's culturally acceptable. 30 years ago.
Unknown_03: As a thing that some people do because they're just fuckwits, currently some, yes.
Unknown_03: You get a lot of news stories and every time it happens it hits the Chinese media of some rural wank with his rural wank children coming onto the Beijing metro.
1:11:29
Unknown_03:
you know and they're dressed like rural wank Chinese people from 30 years ago which is they have a giant hole in the middle of their in the crutch of their pants for ease of defecating and pissing and their kid decides to piss basically yeah yeah and they basically you know you know they basically piss in the middle of the on the fucking train and then obviously everyone records it puts it on media everyone gets into you know into a fucking
Unknown_03: a Chinese rat battle over it and and these and these and these Essentially these hillbillies they get they get put on the media and they get blamed and Chinese media Sometimes sometimes they're generally not the bad guy General generally not the bad guy or what they see as the bad guy.
Unknown_00: I
Unknown_00: Well yeah, that's what I meant. They probably intentionally make it as shameful as possible. Those people go home to their street shitting villages and spread the good word of not shitting in the street. As opposed to India. Technically they don't shit in the street, they still shit in toilets, but they just have big crutch gaps in their children's pants. Why are they pissed on the fucking metro? What the fuck?
1:12:26
Unknown_03:
Because they fucking think it's a place to piss.
Unknown_03: It's like they didn't get a hint from all the people standing around on the fucking train that maybe this isn't the place to piss.
1:13:03
Unknown_03:
Obviously, well, that's what I mean. There are obviously fuckwits, right? Because even if even if you're completely uneducated, but you're not a fuckwit and people give you dirty looks, you kind of know, right? Maybe this is not the place to fucking, you know, piss.
Unknown_03: this on this flat ground, you know, it's not a gutter, it's not a tree, but they obviously, they're just low class, essentially.
Unknown_00: Well, there's a picture I had of a woman. She wasn't dressed in like rural clothing. I'm calling bullshit on that. She's like in an airport holding a baby over a trash can and just taking a dump in that fucking trash can. And people are like... Yeah, they're not all from rural villages, but they're still just low class.
1:13:35
Unknown_03:
Like, they're just still just people with no class, basically. And the reason why you're seeing this picture is because it's not the norm. If it was the norm, people wouldn't be putting it up on media.
Unknown_00: are a home but that there is a there is there is a stigma that the Chinese tourists is the worst of all tourists right and it there is a it is absolutely true, and look, you know, once again, not not all Chinese tourists are like those SJWs or not all men, a lot of them do, they're honestly bad
1:14:28
Unknown_00:
I was remembering, I brought that up because China is fighting back against the stigma, correct?
Unknown_03: They're trying to, they're trying to educate their people, but you know, China has a lot of people. It'll get there eventually.
Unknown_00: There is a particular policy that I was hinting at where if you do record a shitty Chinese tourist, if you send that back to China, they will find that motherfucker and they will ban them from ever leaving the country again.
Unknown_03: they'll put certain travel restrictions. I'm not sure what the exact thing is, but they, but yeah, there was, I do remember hearing about a policy where they'll put certain travel restrictions. Um, you know, if you, if you get found and, and, and seen to as, you know, surpass a certain level of acceptability, they'll, uh, you know, they'll, they'll, they'll stop you from, from traveling for anywhere between one to three years.
1:15:05
Unknown_00:
There was a,
Unknown_00: There was that thing you showed me yesterday I think where they were talking about how Because people were asking a lot about this is the social credit score, which isn't only a Chinese thing now They're exporting it. They've exported their social credit system to Venezuela so Yeah, this is definitely, I think this is going to happen in every country, basically. I think it's going to happen in the UK and Germany for sure, probably France, probably Sweden, maybe eventually the US, but the US is so paranoid. It'll take a lot longer to get there, but eventually it'll get all the way across.
1:15:58
Unknown_03:
There's some interesting new news about this and I need to do some more research because I'm not sure what's going on.
Unknown_03: At the beginning, from what I understand, the social credit system, the Sesame Points, was just a thing that was made by Alibaba. Essentially, it's literally just PayPal.
Unknown_03: And it's like a commercial thing, right? It's social credit because it's got some tie-ins to the government, but essentially it's still a commercial thing. And it was still just a reward. And, you know, like if you have certain behaviors, if you buy certain things, you know, you get certain, you get rewarded. If you buy too much alcohol, you know, you lose some points. If you buy like, you know, like,
1:16:36
Unknown_03:
Yeah, when you get down to the details, for example, if you buy more than a certain amount of alcohol per month or some shit like that, you might lose a couple of points in your social score.
Unknown_03: It started as a system much like opt-in
1:17:14
Unknown_03:
I'm trying to think of something some equivalent that we have in the West like I guess say like PayPal say you use PayPal to pay for stuff but because with China you can you would use it to pay for everything because it's basically cashless now but say you use PayPal to pay for everything then PayPal obviously has a record of what you're buying right and they kind of gamified that so now it's like you know if you pay for certain if you pay for your bills on time with PayPal for example you know you get a higher rating if you if you if you if you lack
Unknown_03: If you lag behind in your payments, you get lower rating. If you buy certain goods, if you buy a certain amount of certain goods, you get a higher rating.
Unknown_00: I was talking to somebody named Coach Red Pill about this. I mentioned the social credit score. And he was very gung-ho, like, oh, this is the breaking point. One day, the Chinese people are going to be like, oh, we don't want this shit. And they're going to revolt. And I'm like, and from what I heard, the Chinese people just like it because it's like a game now.
Unknown_00: One, it's a game.
Unknown_03: You gamify everything. I love the whole idea of gamification because if you gamify anything, from a commercial standpoint, if you gamify anything, it attracts people. It just makes it more interactive. People just love it. It's a very effective system. I think we had a philosophical talk a few years back where Basically, as the way Chinese society is, if you fall in line to what the government's plan is, you can live very comfortably. Your life is amazing. It's good. And I think I linked you to this article the other day, so if you had time, have a look. If you even slightly step out of line, they make it very difficult. And the more you step out of line, it becomes exponentially difficult for you to do anything. And as a personal experience,
1:18:55
Unknown_03:
In China, if you buy a metro ticket or a long distance rail ticket, if you buy it from their machines, saving them time and labor, you don't need an ID.
Unknown_03: you can just buy it. If you want to go to the counter and use a person to pay for the ticket, you need to show ID. So that's just one of the very small examples of if you fall in line and basically fall in line to their system, they make life very easy.
Unknown_03: And if you step out of line a little bit, they make it very difficult. So the vast majority of Chinese people are in line, not only because
1:19:27
Unknown_03:
of the of the risk of stepping out of line, but like carrot and a stick thing, right, but also because of the giant carrot that's dangled in front of them if they do step in line. So most people they like the system.
Unknown_00: because it means they get big discount. It's like in the US though, people ask me, why do I have like a, I'm very like, even people like on my streams and stuff, they call me out for being sympathetic towards China, but this is, this is something that already exists in the US. If I, if I wanted to use the N word with a hard R right now, I could get banned off YouTube. If I say anything, uh, apolitical, which is fucking ridiculous. Yeah, if I say anything that's not politically correct, I can't be on Patreon.
1:20:05
Unknown_00:
If I make fun of retards on the internet, for instance, I might have to make my own hosting company to even get my website online. There's a whole range of shit that is exponentially fucking difficult just because you do something that people don't like. That's already happening in the US. If you go to Germany and you make a Nazi joke, you can go to fucking jail for six months. So this shit already exists in the US, that if you do something that's not kosher,
1:20:40
Unknown_00:
and I had a
1:21:16
Unknown_03:
Thank you for the side thing, not not hate, not hate. And it's actually what happened. I'm sure it's not all like that.
Unknown_00: It's because you're fucking lactose intolerant. You probably got cream cheese or some shit.
Unknown_03: No, it was like some like lamb, and it was also it was delicious, but it definitely there's something definitely wrong with it.
Unknown_00: Anyways, my point is that what China is doing is just the natural conclusion of that.
Unknown_00: If you wonder why do we have the Visa card and Mastercard duopoly? Why do we have to rely on PayPal and shit like Stripe? Because people blame Patreon for every goddamn thing. Patreon itself is but a tree swaying in the fucking wind that is Stripe and PayPal. They don't process a dime. They handle not a single dollar. It is entirely managed by PayPal and Patreon. They handle no financial numbers. They handle no information about you. Entirely up to them. So PayPal banned Sargon of Akkad, right? Well, guess what? They can tell Patreon, kick him off, make sure he can't switch from PayPal to Stripe, or we're gonna kick you off our entire platform. And that's like 50% of their transaction volume. Now, the natural conclusion is you're going to have authorized applications for MasterCard, VisaCard, and you're going to use it exactly like the Chinese do, instead of cash, instead of credit card, instead of a check. And the whole fucking, the three bureau credit score is going to become the exact same fucking thing, because that's what it was in China first. It was just a financial credit score. But then they're like, oh, we can tie in behaviors as well, social behaviors as well. And of course it's going to fucking happen. In fact, there probably are some things that exist in your credit score that have nothing to do with money and is behavior as opposed to credit behavior. So don't get so shitty over China. It's coming to you very soon.
1:22:35
Unknown_03:
Yeah, look, it's basically in any first world economy, the same thing is happening. It's just that it's probably easier to make a media article about it in China because China, they don't bother to hide it.
1:23:13
Unknown_03:
Mostly because of the culture of privacy. In the West, privacy is a big thing. In China, not so much. Traditionally, it's been a very communal cultured society.
Unknown_03: Look you can ask for other people's you can ask what your salary is in China quite quite openly You know between friends and stuff and generally it'll be discussed. You know, I'm Chinese. I'll talk finances any day of the week And you know people just share information it's not like a it's not like a private thing people don't have huge privacy issues
1:23:56
Unknown_03:
In the West, it's a big thing.
Unknown_03: Privacy is like a big sacred thing in the West. So that's why I guess the West has trouble with the idea that you've got a hidden credit system. But credit cards have had that system for the last probably 30 years.
Unknown_03: Big data is a thing in the West. I had a mate that had a phone conversation about needing a cardigan.
Unknown_03: with it with a friend he had it was talking about and he just mentioned like cardigan a couple of times. The next morning he got a Facebook ad. Yeah, my mom's done that my mom. And basically, yeah, that they all sit around.
1:24:30
Unknown_03:
He bought it he was happy.
Unknown_00: Thanks a lot asshole for intentionally poisoning the fucking well.
Unknown_00: I should say this guy's Chinese, by the way.
Unknown_03: I had some concerns. I was like, doesn't that worry you that you had a phone conversation and you mentioned Cardigan. The next morning you're browsing Facebook and you get an ad for the Cardigan. And he said, yeah, I clicked it and it was the exact one I want. It was 20 bucks and I bought it and he's wearing it and it looked good. And it does look good on him. And I said, but doesn't that worry you? And he thought about it for like half a second. He's like, no, it fucking worked out perfectly for me. I got exactly what I wanted.
1:25:02
Unknown_03:
And yeah, this guy's Chinese, by the way. I think you know the guy I'm talking about. Oh, yeah.
Unknown_03: Um, my mom told me a story though, that she, their phones were off.
Unknown_00: They weren't using them. They weren't in a phone call. They put all their shit in a fucking circle and they had an open conversation about a topic they had agreed upon as a test. And they just started talking about car insurance or something. And every single one of them on Facebook and on Google, we're seeing all sorts of ads for, for, for car insurance. So it's like this shit's actively spying on us constantly.
1:25:40
Unknown_03:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like any phone, it doesn't really matter. It's basically picking up certain words and it's just giving you ads based on that. And this has been happening for several years now.
Unknown_00: I think it's the other way around.
Unknown_00: They record absolutely everything said around you. And then they like the Google shit where they can subtitle an entire video automatically. Everything you say around the phone is being encoded like that and being translated into
1:26:17
Unknown_03:
I'm not exactly sure how it works, but it seems like that like if I don't know if they're actively recording if they are wouldn't that just like use the battery a lot so that they're doing something this there's definitely something going on because there is some sort of Pickup that's happening. I don't know. I just don't know if it's like active or passive or something like that It's it's some it's some hocus-pocus that I don't quite understand. I , my my my point is that don't get too far, because
1:27:15
Unknown_00:
it's not uh oh yeah it'll be like i'm pretty certain like no okay look everyone has a credit score right in the us what do you think that is you know what do you what do you think that is it it dictates what you can and can't buy dictates whether you can take a loan or not um every time you do anything with finances they look up your credit score right you know what do you think that is that's just this that's just the beginning
Unknown_00: I'm listening that this is too too depressing. We need to play the white girls fuck dog song again. Have I shown you that?
Unknown_00: It's a It's a song it's by this guy called common filth he Think he like paid somebody to sing this song. It's just a song about how white girls fuck their dogs It's pretty great. Actually, it's really catchy
Unknown_03: If it's catchy, I'll listen to it. I don't care about the content. Just give me a catchy song.
1:28:09
Unknown_00:
All right.
Unknown_00: Do you have any additional points? Otherwise, I'm going to start skimming, skimming chat for some questions. Yeah, no, feel free to open it up to an AMA.
Unknown_03: I mean, there's a lot, like China is a big topic.
Unknown_03: So it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's very hard. It's going to be impossible to get through everything. So I'm happy to just talk about whatever people want to talk about.
1:28:42
Unknown_00:
Well, a lot of people are calling you a Chinese apologist and I fucking knew that they were going to. No, they can't.
Unknown_03: So I don't, I mean, look, I don't mind. It doesn't matter to me. Like it, it, things are what they are. It doesn't like it. I don't have an objective. I don't have a direction. I just call it for what they are.
Unknown_00: My question is like one guy even a while back says like I'm stopped listening because this is obviously a CPC shill.
Unknown_00: Oh Wait zero zero cock very very great name. This fucker is literally a commie Chinese shill I'm not listening anymore downvoted with 50 50 downvote signs Living in Australia like I wouldn't I wouldn't live in China, you know, it is it is I
1:29:27
Unknown_00:
You know, I don't like it.
Unknown_03: It's not something I would be comfortable with.
Unknown_00: Somebody asked me, what are the good, like, people don't help each other in China is the big one. I showed you a story a while ago from a guy on poll saying, don't ever learn Mandarin. You don't want to go to China. And he recounted the story of this guy who busted his head open on asphalt and they brought him to a hospital. And the doctor's like, are you going to pay for his surgery? And he's like, no, I just brought him here because he fucking he's going to die. And the doctors refused to see him. So.
1:29:58
Unknown_03:
Yeah. So so what what happened was right. And this like it's so fucking dumb. OK, basically.
Unknown_03: Some old lady fell over or some elderly person fell over, had an accident. A good Samaritan brought them to the hospital, fixed them all up and there was a bill and the guy, the person who was injured, the elderly person, I can't remember, I think it was a woman,
1:30:29
Unknown_03:
accused the younger lady who took her to hospital of being the cause of the accident, probably because she was looking for a come up or something.
Unknown_03: and so they eventually they went to court and what the Chinese court did was they like how the Chinese court reasoned that because you took them to hospital you must have been the one who was responsible and that set a fucking that set literally probably one of the stupidest precedents I've ever fucking heard because now what it's done is people are afraid to help other people because there's been a precedent set that if you help them and take them to the hospital obviously you're the one responsible, because a reasonable person who was not responsible for this accident would not be kind and help them out.
1:31:14
Unknown_03:
So that that's basically that's what that's literally it's because of this court precedent that was set several years ago, it might have been like 10 years ago, something like that. The precedent was literally set that a reasonable person would not help another person in trouble, unless they were responsible.
Unknown_00: So that is literally the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. So it's not a cultural thing, you would say. It's a no, no, people more or less help each other before that, you know, to to varying degrees.
1:31:56
Unknown_03:
But, you know, in general, it was well within the norms.
Unknown_03: But after that court case, people completely just, you know, stop. You know, they prefer to look the other way just because they don't want to be held responsible.
Unknown_00: There's a there's a particular story that got shared around it's a it's a book from the early 20th century regarding Regarding China now, this is before the revolution But the guy from from the West who had visited China was talking about How how ruthless they were in general and his his story was that? I
1:32:36
Unknown_00:
I'm trying to figure out how to put this. The Chinese, he described them as a naturally conspiratorial, insidious, deceptive people. And he said that outside of your own family, he described was very important in China.
Unknown_00: And the main reason why is outside of your family, you can't trust anyone. And in their culture, he said that you would be naturally distrusting of everyone. People would naturally not uphold their end of bargains ever. And really the only people you could trust were people in your own family not to fuck you over. And even then, not always.
1:33:07
Unknown_00:
Do you think it's a fair portrayal of China?
Unknown_03: Really, no.
Unknown_03: When you have a population of over a billion, you're going to have a bit of everything. And in some cases, that is completely true. In many other cases, no. So it's very hard to generalize over a population that is so massive.
1:33:45
Unknown_00:
So, I mean, I guess you could say in some parts, like anecdotally, it's possible to have any kind of experience in China because the country is so big.
Unknown_03: Yes.
Unknown_03: And that is absolutely true.
Unknown_00: somebody said I was downplaying how bad things are in China. The thing is, it's like, I don't think most people who say how bad things are in China have been to China.
1:34:23
Unknown_00:
I've not been to China. But yeah, look, for the for the normal for the normal average person, you go to China, everything's the same, you know, you know, you buy your food, you go to McDonald's, you fucking
Unknown_03: eat, shit, sleep, brush your teeth. For the vast majority of people, life is just life in China.
Unknown_03: China is not some place where you fucking open a fucking portal and now you're on a different fucking planet. It's literally just another country in the world and as with most modern places in the world,
1:34:58
Unknown_03:
And I've said this to you before, like you go to any modern first world city, international city, it's practically the same. It lacks the flavor and culture that you would see maybe back in the 60s that you saw in movies, you know? And it's all kind of boring, really. Like you go to Paris thinking, oh, there's all this gonna be all this like French shit, you know? There's gonna be like, it's gonna be like Paris in the 60s.
Unknown_00: If you're Japanese, you end up killing yourself when you go there.
Unknown_03: Yeah.
Unknown_03: But in the end, you go to Paris and you fucking, you get access to Uber Eats and you know what they sell? They sell basically the same four things that every fucking city sells. Pizza, some sort of Chinese food, some sort of like burgers and fries thing, and some other random shit. Basically you go to any fucking city in the world, the majority of food will be like Americana, it'll be pizza, it'll be some sort of like Pan-Asian,
1:35:36
Unknown_03:
and then some other random, some other random shit, whatever the local fashion is at the time.
Unknown_03: Same with Paris, same with anywhere in Europe, same with fucking US, same with Australia.
Unknown_00: It's not that vastly different.
1:36:16
Unknown_00:
Uh, naturally, uh, very little trust for one another, despite being ethnically homogenous. But China is, is technically not, not entirely homogenous. Like are the Han Chinese really that big of a, of a majority throughout the country?
Unknown_03: It's definitely the majority. Yeah.
Unknown_00: What is it like an absolute majority? Cause somebody said like there's 50 plus, uh, different ethnic makeups in the country. Like I know that there's the Yu Chinese and they speak their own, their own language and shit.
Unknown_03: There is 53 ethnic types in China, but the vast majority is Han.
1:36:58
Unknown_00:
Let me have a look at the stats.
Unknown_03: It looks like 92% of the Chinese population, more than 97% of the Taiwanese population are Han. There you go. So 92% in China are Han. 92%?
Unknown_00: Yeah.
Unknown_03: That's a fuck of a lot.
Unknown_03: Yeah, I mean, I guess the Han were successful. Yeah, no shit. And 97% of the Toa needs a Han.
Unknown_03: Oh, an interesting thing I found out, just a side story that I found the other day was I went to this, remember that place where you saw kangaroos and koalas?
1:37:40
Unknown_09:
Yes.
Unknown_03: I remember how they had a sign out the front that pointed to all the capital cities in the world and had their flags like Beijing was 10,000 kilometers away. I don't know if you remember that, but it was for the tourists. They had a sign with arrows coming out of the sign pointing to where these capital cities are and in the distance to those capital cities. They have Berlin, London, Paris, Beijing, Dublin, that sort of thing.
Unknown_03: Because this place is getting more tourists, they've erected a second sign with basically the same thing, but including other cities that aren't capital cities. They included two Taiwanese cities.
1:38:22
Unknown_03:
which was Kaohsiung and Taipei. And they have the little flag logo next to them, of all the capital cities, you know, like the Paris one had the French flag, the London had the, and they obviously had the Taiwanese flag. And when I looked at it, and I had to laugh because the Taiwanese flags were ripped off.
Unknown_03: And you could just and you could tell like I instantly knew who the fuck it was just fucking Chinese dickhead tourists who Basically went with the government line. That was you know, that should be a Chinese flag It shouldn't be a China. It shouldn't be a Taiwanese like it's Chinese Taipei, you know get five cents for it ripping off a flag No, it wasn't me This is so this is a trend that I think that I really don't like and it's been happening more and more. The scary one is the assert dominance that is basically the Chinese policy now because China is in a position to do shit like that. I don't know if you saw the Dalai Lama thing, but watch the Dalai Lama guy, his name is Dalai Lama, whatever his first name is, fucking grovel and apologize to the Chinese because he put like five shit
1:39:49
Unknown_01:
I think I told you about the Dolce & Gabbana thing.
Unknown_03: They lost $38 million in one day because they had this big fashion shoot in Shanghai. But then it got leaked that
Unknown_03: that the guy was like bad mouthing China in a private message. He just said, you know, put like five shit emojis in front of China or some shit like that.
Unknown_00: And then it got leaked. It was a WhatsApp conversation, wasn't it?
Unknown_03: I think it was. Yeah.
Unknown_00: Yeah. And somebody and somebody in the conversation screenshotted it and send it to the CPC. And he got five cents. He got five cents.
1:40:20
Unknown_03:
Yeah. You got five cents for that shit. You know, he lost thirty eight million dollars in one day and it's growing at China.
Unknown_03: apologizing for being you know insensitive or all that right this so this is this is China's strategy of a certain you know of certain dominance now that they're in a position to do that and it's kind of scary it's scary because and this is the other thing it's what I call small dick energy okay China has a lot of small dick energy it's it's it's basically petty shit like
1:40:56
Unknown_03:
ripping off the Taiwanese flag, you know, if somebody says some shit about, if somebody, if anybody says any shit about China, criticizing it, they get roughed up, man. And so, so, so they have a lot of, they have a sort of an inferiority complex in, you know, in a way. Um,
Unknown_03: due to the small decent energy and because they are in a position to assert dominance, that's what makes China fucking scary because they'll take some slight badly and then they'll basically fuck you over. And that my friend is fucking scary.
Unknown_00: What happened to Valve, you mentioned? There's a game called Dota 2. Let me do it. You go ahead.
1:41:40
Unknown_00:
Dota 2, popular game, kind of like League of Legends. Dota 2 is very popular in Russia and China, and very competitive in China. There's lots of Chinese players in competitive Dota teams. Usually, there's competitions that happen on the mainland between players. Well, I think it was an Australian player who He made fun of the Chinese the Chinese competitors By it was an Australian is uh, it wasn't us.
1:42:13
Unknown_03:
He was an Australian there
Unknown_00: But he makes fun of them by calling them ching chongs. And this gets all the way up to the party, right? And the party tells Valve, and usually what happens is Valve defers these decisions regarding players and their behavior to the people organizing the events. Because Valve very, very rarely has any direct involvement in these events except for the international. And so, you know, Valve just says, okay, organizers, you do what you want to do with this guy. Organizers ask him to apologize, he apologizes.
1:42:46
Unknown_00:
China says that's not good enough and tells a valve you have to make sure this guy does not come To China, you know, he's kicked out. He's punished in some way or no No, so it's case of valve valve does valve does the very hands-off thing?
Unknown_03: You know, like like you said they they say okay, it's up to the organizers to dish out any sort of punishment. Okay, so
Unknown_03: Basically, you know these guys were international players and I think he came from Southeast Asia actually He plays for TNC Pro, which I think is a Southie. It's like a Filipino. It's like a Filipino team And so they have the they have the the major of you know, the big competition in China and I
1:43:33
Unknown_03:
So this, you know, six months ago, this all happened six months ago. Valve said, you know, it's up to the, it's up to the individual, um, tournament organizers and stuff to deal with it. So this six months being fairly quiet. And then suddenly the Chinese tournament comes up and suddenly the, and these, you know, these guys who are being, uh, who, you know, said racist shit online were invited. But then suddenly it came down from the local government that they're now banned from the country, or apparently so, that they weren't allowed in, they had visa issues because of that.
1:44:14
Unknown_03:
because of something that happened six months ago, which had already been dealt with, which valve already said, um, you know, where, where hands off, it's up to the organizer and the organizers were going to allow them to come except the local government decided to disallow them.
Unknown_00: Um, weren't they trying to force valve to, to intervene in this some way?
Unknown_03: No, no, they weren't. But valves sort of had because the next international was going to be in China valve was kind of between a rock and a hard place because it's like, then you get the question of our valve actually in control of their own product.
Unknown_03: You know what I mean?
Unknown_00: They're going to do business in China.
Unknown_03: Yeah, recently there's been an update, recently Valve put out a, or I think it was Dota put out an update, which you can just see on the front of blog.dota2.com.
1:45:06
Unknown_03:
It said Valve came out December 3rd. We've been following the recent situation.
Unknown_03: Valve basically came out now officially and said that that team, that China band was wrong. I think it turned out that Valve had made the call.
Unknown_03: It got really complicated when Valve released their official statement because it was different to what most people thought the story was, and I'm a bit confused myself about it.
1:45:40
Unknown_03:
But basically, Valve said that it was them that made the call, which could be true.
Unknown_03: So, so, you know, first people thought it was the local government and there were stories about it was the local government saying it, but Valve came out and said that they made the call. Now, what actually happened in the background? Who fucking knows?
Unknown_03: But, but the official line from Valve is that they made the call and basically the team actually did the wrong thing and they didn't dish out sufficient punishment.
Unknown_00: Here, somebody left a comment that I could actually read and it says, Walleye Chungwall, give me money, Xi Jinping.
1:46:19
Unknown_00:
and I can read, I pronounce it wrong though, I still pronounce the Z-H thing, like in, like C-H, um. Jungle, yeah, that's right.
Unknown_00: Yeah, it's like, I don't know, I learn, I learn all the, I try to learn all the languages in the BRICS, uh, countries, but I doubt I'll ever learn any of it. I'm American, I can't learn second languages.
Unknown_00: Okay, people have been asking about the Uyghurs.
Unknown_03: Oh yeah, the fucking Chinese re-education camps. Yeah, that's basically what you've heard is probably all true. Possibly worse.
1:46:59
Unknown_00:
The thing is that people are bringing it up kind of as a jab.
Unknown_00: Like, this is China's thing, but the thing is, is that what people are asking for in the US is not too different. Like, people are very angry about the Muslim immigrants in the United States and in Europe, and it's like, okay, they just want to deport them, but China doesn't really have that option. They can't just dump, you know...
Unknown_03: People into mountains.
Unknown_00: Yeah, no, you can't just take a hundred million Kazakhs and just dump them in Kazakhstan. Like, somebody's gonna fucking notice that shit.
1:47:36
Unknown_00:
It's not gonna be... Yeah, exactly. It's not gonna be... Like, it's easier to do it this way. And it's like, when people talk about these camps and shit independently, outside of this conversation, they're usually like, that's fucking base. That's the best shit I've ever heard. You take the fucking Muslims and you make them eat bacon until they like it.
Unknown_03: So so, okay, so so what's happening and pretty much everything that's reported on this particular thing is true It seems to be the trendy topic at the moment for for Western media Media is trying to share up fucking sympathy for Muslims.
1:48:11
Unknown_00:
They always do Basically what happened was traditionally as Something that most Westerns don't know that is that China has traditionally had a terrorist problem in the Western provinces
Unknown_03: in like Xinjiang and stuff like that, because, you know, whatever, the Kazakhs or that entire area, they're prone to terrorist activity, I suppose, in that region. So China has a bit of a terrorist problem, has had a bit of a terrorist problem even before 9-11.
Unknown_03: and you know the local government stuff just just just deal with it they don't make a big fuss out of it they don't they don't you know they don't start a war they just deal they just deal with it locally um and you know throughout the years it's kind of just evolved to this point where they're seeing it's becoming a big problem people are becoming more radicalized um and the plan is to basically re-educate them all so that you basically get you get rid of any seed of
1:49:18
Unknown_03:
you know, unwanted behavior. So they've basically opened up these, essentially they look like big colleges or big jailhouses or whatever, you know, they're just standard sort of
Unknown_03: you know, big square buildings, and they just re-educate them in there. They use all sorts of stuff, some normal, some pretty horrific. You know, they'll beat them if they get out of line, but essentially they come out three months later. The idea is that they're reformed, and either they're reformed, or they've been, or they're too scared to do anything, or they're now upstanding patriots, or they've been brainwashed, whatever it is. The idea is they come out and they're less inclined
1:50:00
Unknown_03:
to act on terrorist behaviors.
Unknown_00: Somebody says you can't call it horrific.
Unknown_00: The one thing I heard that was bad was that a kid died in state custody because the mother was taken and the kids were taken. Two of the kids died.
Unknown_03: Kids die all the time in all sorts of custody.
Unknown_00: See, that's what I mean. That's my fucking, there are too many people living there anyways, attitude. You already had too many fucking kids. No, I mean, look, it's one kid, you have three. Kill two of them, now you're even.
1:50:36
Unknown_03:
No, literally like it recently in Australia that I had a royal inquiry because kids were being killed and treated like she like, you know, accidentally being mistreated and abused in, you know, youth detention, whatever. Now this one of the kids survived and grew up and now he's suing the government. So like this shit happens everywhere, you know?
Unknown_00: No, no, no, I'm talking about Australia.
Unknown_03: Oh, it's dying time in the US and, you know, everywhere.
1:51:09
Unknown_03:
the fifth
Unknown_00: They make him learn Mandarin. I support that. I think that as an immigrant that doesn't speak a fucking word of Russian, I think at some point you just need to round up all, you know, all the taco people and you need to make them learn English. That's, that's important.
1:51:45
Unknown_03:
That's an interesting one. Cause I, I actually didn't know that they didn't speak Mandarin.
Unknown_00: What? No, they speak a Kazakh or something.
Unknown_03: Some sort of like Turkish.
Unknown_03: you know, evolution, I guess.
Unknown_03: But you know, I thought that if you lived in China, you knew Mandarin.
Unknown_03: It might be a case of them just forcing them to use Mandarin. I don't know. But yeah, no, that that's a that's a new one.
Unknown_00: I didn't realize that you actually know Mandarin. Yeah, no, the weaker speak something else. I'm gonna look this up now. I'm surprised you didn't know this.
1:52:16
Unknown_03:
Yeah, no, I honestly didn't.
Unknown_00: I don't know, I knew they spoke other languages, but it was surprising that they didn't know Mandarin at all.
Unknown_03: And they had to learn it.
Unknown_00: Yeah, maybe it's a culture language.
Unknown_00: Modern Uyghurs have adopted a number of scripts for their language, Arabic, but what the fuck do they speak?
1:52:50
Unknown_00:
some sort of yeah yeah yeah some Turkish thing oh yeah
Unknown_00: Even if even if it means that they have to round you up. Oh, and they also banned like there's all sorts. It's kind of like the DPRK that when there's little information, people have all sorts of crazy fucking stories about what's going on in the country.
1:53:24
Unknown_00:
But they did ban the name Mohammed and they ban facial hair, right?
Unknown_03: They ban beards.
Unknown_03: They ban beards, basically.
Unknown_03: So all you bearded individuals out there, China's coming to get you.
Unknown_00: That's just Xi Jinping being jealous that he can't grow facial hair like the Uyghurs.
Unknown_00: Nobody's allowed to have a more glorious beard.
Unknown_02: That nigga has a smooth face.
1:54:01
Unknown_02:
What else?
Unknown_00: that ban beards for Uyghurs but not for the Hui Muslims? I've never even heard of the Hui Muslims. The Hui Muslims probably don't blow shit up. That's why they get a pass. China probably doesn't care. Well, they do care about the Christians. Isn't there like a massive Christian resurgence right now in China?
Unknown_03: No, that's come down again. I think I mentioned it lightly before, there was a Christian sort of uprising or growth, I guess, probably starting about 10 years ago. It's starting to taper off now, but they had some big thing with the local government. I laughed at it. It was very funny because they had a Christian church. and the local cops all came in and we're talking China scale here so the Christian church had something like 200 people and the local cops had something like 200 people and this church was probably the size of your normal small town congregation church in the US that might fit 100 so China tried to fit a pair of 200 in there
1:55:13
Unknown_03:
Yeah, basically, and it was very funny because all the local police wanted to do was tear down the fucking cross because it was like a symbol, right? And all the fucking Christians wanted to do was fucking stop them from tearing down the cross. They weren't trying to save their fucking cross. It was just some shitty wooden cross. And I laughed at it because Literally, it wasn't about anything. It wasn't about freedom of religion. It wasn't about being able to practice at this place. It was literally about the fucking cross. So these cops are coming in with their batons and climbing over fences to try and just take down the cross. If they just took down the cross, they would have been happy. It was like capture the flag. The Chinese Christians were risking their lives, fighting tooth and nail
1:56:02
Unknown_03:
to not let them take this fucking cross. They weren't fighting to, oh, I want the freedom to practice the religion. It wasn't anything about that. It was literally this fucking object. This is when you know you've kind of fucked up and you've done something wrong along the lines.
Unknown_00: The argument the American would have is that you let them take the cross and they're going to take something else out. They're going to take the crucifix inside the church next. You know what I mean?
Unknown_03: Oh, that they might if it's a symbol.
Unknown_03: Sure.
Unknown_03: But but I'm guessing that's but but what I'm saying is that's not what that wasn't what was in the minds of the Chinese Christians. They just wanted to keep their fucking cross.
1:56:38
Unknown_00:
How do you know that? It's like with that's like in America when you when you have politicians talking about wanting to ban extended magazines or longer or, you know, increasing barrel size or some shit. Like, you call that a slippery slope, like they're gonna do this because they want to do this next.
Unknown_00: like you don't know for sure that's what oh yeah they're worried well yeah they're worried that if they ban you know extended magazines they're gonna ban you know short normal magazines at some stage i'm pretty sure that the people in that chinese church weren't just concerned about their physical cross they didn't have any deeper thought about it
1:57:17
Unknown_00:
It wasn't, oh they're gonna come, they're gonna stop us from practicing religion after this. People are making fun of you on this take. Somebody's saying, oh wow, China's showing sentimentality, actual human emotions, that's bad. Bad, China can't allow that.
Unknown_03: Sorry, what? They're making fun of me?
Unknown_00: Yeah, well, because they don't, I also don't buy this, that they're just trying to defend some fucking plywood. That's obviously not what they're doing.
Unknown_03: It, well,
Unknown_03: There wasn't a ban on... Okay, so they were there because of symbolism. It wasn't to practice religion. You can practice any religion you want. It was literally they didn't want that cross on the church, on the building.
1:57:51
Unknown_03:
That's what they were there for, that cross.
Unknown_03: It's not like you can no longer congregate in this building or anything. You can practice whatever you want. You can't have that cross sitting on top of that building.
Unknown_00: I'm trying to think of a way to talk to people when they call in, but I can't do that with Hangout. And I can't have you use your Discord unless you have like a secondary Discord. Um... No.
1:58:25
Unknown_00:
That sucks.
Unknown_00: I can make one for the future if you want me on again.
Unknown_03: If I don't get stoned to death.
Unknown_03: If I don't get stoned to death in this stream.
Unknown_03: For being a Chinese apologist. Somebody who would absolutely refuse to live in China. An apologist.
1:59:00
Unknown_00:
I think it might just be the casual and blasé way I talk about all the shit in China, because I'm used to it by now.
Unknown_03: To me, it's no big thing.
Unknown_00: I think people forget that like a billion and a half people live in China. And it's not like utter fucking chaos there. It's not like 1984. Honestly, if I had a choice between the United Kingdom and China, I would live in China. Because with China, you know what the rules are. And you know, like, okay, it's cemented. Like this is a part of the Constitution is that you're not going to fuck with the party. In England, it's like you're free, quote unquote, until they decide that you went one step too far. And you never know where that line is. Whereas in China, it's just like, you know what the line is. It's there. You know what it is. It's never gonna surprise you. If you're doing something that's counter to the party, you know it. And I wouldn't want that to be, there's a reason why I choose to live in fucking really poor countries where nobody's gonna fuck with me, because they don't have the faculties to. The means. Yeah. But I would rather know what the line is than not know what the line is, as far as censorship goes. There's no doubt in my mind that anyone going to China
2:00:13
Unknown_03:
Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that anyone going to China as a tourist would have a pretty good time in general. It's the same anywhere. If you do touristy things, you eat some nice food, blah, blah, blah. Living there long term, as in absorbing the culture and stuff, you start to learn some pretty nasty shit that you probably don't want to deal with. And that's essentially me. There's a lot of shit in China that I don't want to deal with.
2:00:51
Unknown_03:
So, you know, I don't live there, but I'll happily go there and have fun.
Unknown_03: I'll happily use its resources.
Unknown_00: And, like, the shit about, like, if you view one thing that's positive about Taiwan, you'll go to jail. That's not, it's just not fucking true. That's stupid. Do you know how many fucking people would be in prison if they, if they went to, if they imprisoned literally everyone who read something that's positive about Taiwan?
2:01:24
Unknown_00:
Like, it's untenable. You can't put that much of your population in prison.
Unknown_00: It's a it's a you describe it like a slow a slow grind the shit that they do To censor to adjust public opinion is not Put everybody in jail who sees material that is contrary to what what they want you to believe not 1984 Yeah, it's it's like so if you try to if you try to do shit That's pro Taiwan your life becomes extremely uncomfortable as opposed to just killing you Right
2:01:58
Unknown_03:
Yeah, exactly. They're fairly careful in crossing lines when it comes to their own population. They're more open to exerting hard power when it comes to the international platform. But domestically, they try to, one, exert soft power, and secondly, they try to sweep everything under the rug if they can. They don't want drama, essentially.
Unknown_00: Yeah, yeah, that's what you said is that um, they try to avoid bad publicity whenever possible Yeah That that is the enemy bad publicity is the enemy of propaganda Okay, people are asking on the women in china easy Sorry, you can cut off the women in china easy
2:02:58
Unknown_02:
These questions, because China has a very large population, the fucking autist in me is just going crazy right now.
Unknown_03: You can't use one thing or a handful of things to describe all of China, just because it's so massive.
Unknown_03: specified down maybe I think for like a foreigner in China who goes to you know who goes to like the tourist spots and goes to like the tourist bars where those kind of chicks hang out yeah I would say so but you know I'm sure you would all know that there's probably like a you know as as many or well much more
2:03:53
Unknown_03:
many more traditional Chinese girls who aren't easy, they don't sleep around. There might be even a few that probably won't fuck until marriage.
Unknown_03: There's probably still a few of those around too.
Unknown_03: Generally, for a westerner, doing westerner things, yes.
Unknown_03: You can probably smash quite easy.
Unknown_00: is, uh, well, yeah, as a Westerner, like if people like now, now I want to sound like a show. I'm trying to sound like I'm tempting fucking insults to go to China and try to fuck Chinese women.
2:04:37
Unknown_09:
Uh, specifically with like my, my concern is like, if I'm thinking about women, like I'm thinking about like kids and shit, like do mixed race kids get treated like shit and fucking China if they're half white and half Chinese?
Unknown_02: sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Unknown_00: Okay, if you were gonna if it's not a general, the reason why I say that is because some people think they're amazing, like they're, you know, attractive, children and attractive, they grow up to be attractive adults.
Unknown_03: And then, you know, in my opinion, yes, they are. But some but sometimes they get treated like outsiders.
Unknown_03: Like, you're not really, you know, there's a view that Oh, you're not really, you're not really Chinese, blah, blah, blah.
2:05:23
Unknown_03:
But once again, it's very hard to use a single statement to cover all of it, because yes and no.
Unknown_00: Trying to make communist Elliot Rogers. Good job, Josh Well, I mean is there like I imagine there must be like If it's weighed one way like anything like, you know, 65 70 percent I would say that but but for this particular thing, it's literally in my mind it's like 50-50 it's like
Unknown_03: in some places, and it even just goes down to the individual. Some think it's great, mixed children, some people think, oh, these guys are still foreigners.
2:06:04
Unknown_00:
Yeah, well, I was going to ask, like, how xenophobic towards the West is China? Because I don't have a good sense of it.
Unknown_03: In general, not a lot. They love Westerners. Basically, Westerners get a free pass for a lot of stuff. There's a lot of perks for being a Westerner in China. Even now that China's become more internationalized, as a Westerner, you go there, people will treat you better in general.
Unknown_03: It's funny because it even comes down from all the way from the central government.
2:06:43
Unknown_03:
If you're a Westerner,
Unknown_03: want to stay at a hotel, you can't stay at any hotel. You can't stay at the same hotel that Chinese locals have. They have specific hotels where Westerners are allowed to stay. Now anyone can stay in those hotels, but there are hotels where Westerners cannot stay in, only Chinese people. So you have to be a certain standard. It's kind of the face that the Chinese government wants to show the world. So if you have a foreign passport,
Unknown_03: you can only stay in these sort of hotels.
Unknown_00: Four stars or more or whatever. Is it about wanting to put on a face for the West or is it wanting to desegregate locals from foreigners? Like in the DPRK they have these Western hotels for tourism. But the main goal about that is trying to limit interaction between the Koreans and well, no, because you can because you can literally interact any anywhere.
2:07:20
Unknown_03:
You know, it's in fact, the majority of interaction is probably not in the hotel where you're in your room. It's probably everywhere else.
Unknown_03: Two things. So one is is they want to put on a good face. The other insidious reason is because they want to listen in on your conversations.
2:07:56
Unknown_03:
So, so basically the, to China, no, no, no. In China, like, you know, your, your phones are tapped and stuff in the Western hotels.
Unknown_00: Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown_03: Yeah.
Unknown_03: And, and, and I know, and I know, and I'm, and I'm glad I'm, I'm glad I'm more or less anonymous. Not, not to like the West. I'm glad I'm more anonymous to the Chinese on this.
Unknown_03: Probably. But look, what I'm saying and what I'm doing is like a drop in a lake for China. So they probably, in general, don't care. It's because I know someone whose job it is to listen to conversations in Western hotels.
2:08:37
Unknown_03:
It's not it's it's not it's not everyone, you know, they they so they're targeted the Targets are selective obviously if it's anyone who's a who's a big deal anyone who looks basically it's it's up to the call of the manager All I'm thinking is that job It's like you got to find like cucks for this job because you're gonna hear a lot of people fucking No, no, it's no no the It's not
2:09:17
Unknown_03:
It's not all cases where the whole apartment is tapped. The phones are tapped.
Unknown_00: Oh, only the phones?
Unknown_02: Yeah, only the phones. Well, the phones are all tapped.
Unknown_03: And, in some cases, possibly the apartment.
Unknown_00: Well, if the apartment is tapped, then it could be the phone.
Unknown_03: Well, no, because once again, it's China. So it's not some guy or a sweatshop of 50 cent warriors being paid to sit there to listen to everything. They have AI that picks up speech and not anything else. They do it efficiently.
2:09:50
Unknown_03:
So basically everything gets recorded on a computer, you know, it gets transcribed via AI and anything that's tagged as, you know, selected gets listened to by a human.
Unknown_03: It's funny because the person I know whose job is to do this, they're just like any other fucking Schmuck working person, right? I asked him it's like so do you like properly listen? They're like, no, I just go there and just like read a book It's it's basically like the security guard. That's like a sleep in front of the fucking wall of monitors It's it's literally like it's funny because at a human level it's literally like anything else They're still they're fucking sleeping at the job just as much see chat saying that it is like 1984 now because everything's listened to
2:10:33
Unknown_03:
Well, yeah, I mean it's the same in England it is I would say that's true because Like China is not the the surveillance right now aside from like the technology The saliva surveillance infrastructure is not as much is not as high as England right now China's getting there like that's that's the plan. But England is still the most surveilled place in the world. I
2:11:27
Unknown_00:
Paul is this 1984 it's getting close. I would say yeah, it's getting close. I don't think you're not denying that It's no.
Unknown_03: No, it's a yeah, like absolutely 1984. Um, I
Unknown_03: It's getting there, but at a more, I guess, at a softer level. The infrastructure is there. Policy-wise, no, China would not implement 1984 type open policies. They've got to keep their, they want a naturalized method of keeping their population happy.
2:12:06
Unknown_03:
They don't want to force it in the end of the day because unfortunately for the Chinese government, if they force something and the Chinese population isn't happy, that's a bigger army than the government has.
Unknown_00: It's the saying, if we all spit at our enemy, they'll drown. I remember that one. That's one of my favorites.
Unknown_03: Yeah, that's a good, yeah, that's a Chinese saying. It's like, you know, it's sort of a saying on foreign policy. It's like, basically, if any country pisses us off, well, you know, with the population of China, if we all spat towards their country, their entire nation will drown. I sounded very smug about that when you laughed.
2:12:48
Unknown_02:
It's it's funny. It's it's clever. It's clever Yeah, like Americans Americans me included do not like any kind of surveillance which is why like Like America does have the NSA and shit like people don't realize that
Unknown_00: that in the tier one networks, the backbones of the internet, like every packet is sniffed by the NSA. They have entire warehouses printed out by the CIA, specifically for analyzing automatically, you know, trivial internet matter, which is why China tries to move as much of its infrastructure within its own borders as possible. It doesn't like to use anything outside the country.
2:13:35
Unknown_02:
Yeah.
Unknown_03: Yes, it's more or less the same in the East or the West. I mean, all these things that China is doing are basically just copied from the West.
Unknown_03: China's just implementing it
Unknown_03: their own way, but the ideas behind it are all from the West. They look at the West, you know, 80s, 90s, 2000s, like, oh, you know, this is what they're doing. It's actually pretty clever.
2:14:09
Unknown_03:
And we'll just implement these. And we'll sell it to a... Because while in the West, if the population find out you know, they might try to overthrow the government in China. Well, I'm sorry, in the West, if the population find out, one, they don't care as much and they can't do much about it. In China, if there's an uprising, well, you know, the government's fucked.
Unknown_00: Well, there was an uprising once. It didn't fucking work out too well.
2:14:42
Unknown_03:
Are you talking about 84?
Unknown_00: Was it in 84 or 87? I thought it was 87.
Unknown_02: Oh, it might have been 84.
Unknown_00: No, you're right, it is 87.
Unknown_02: There you go, you know your Chinese history better than I do.
Unknown_00: I know. What I learned, what surprised me most about Tiananmen Square was that it was Deng Xiaoping that was the premier at the time. I did not... Well, he wasn't technically the premier. He was never the premier, was he?
Unknown_00: No, he was not. He was the head honcho, technically. No, he was...
2:15:20
Unknown_00:
danger of pain was everything except the the the head of state for for his entire duration he was yeah so he was he was he's the guy that I really like is he was the guy that basically opened up China to capital which they give people a rundown things I think because I did read up on them is In China, they do not have, like, their structure is different. They don't have, like, the three branches of government and then, like, the executive branches and control of all the different departments and shit. In China, they consider each member of the government basically to be equal underneath the Congress and the, actually there is no judiciary.
Unknown_00: The judiciary is a part of the Communist Party directly. And then you have the Congress, which passes laws and shit. But as far as the different organs of government go, they each have their own head. And when the new guy comes in, the powers can be split between the different organs and the different heads. And then there is the head of state, which acts as the foreign policy guy who would travel around. And when Mao Zedong died, he put, I think his name was Hua Guangfeng as the head of state. But Deng Xiaoping got every organ of government besides head of state, so he technically had all the power. even though he wasn't the head of state. Xi Jinping is all the powers plus head of state, which is why he's called the premier. And although Deng Xiaoping was never the premier, he did have significant power. And he converted China from an agrarian society to an industrial society. But he was also the guy holding all the reins when the Tiananmen Square stuff happened.
2:16:43
Unknown_00:
That's my, that's my rundown of the government. I hope I was correct.
2:17:15
Unknown_00:
Cause I need, I need my five cents.
Unknown_02: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I'm actually not sure who was in charge during the Tenement Square. It was Deng Xiaoping.
Unknown_00: I don't know who the head of state was, but it was, Deng Xiaoping was the one who, he was the one who said, uh, squish all those niggas, squish them all.
Unknown_02: So he was the chairman of the Central Military Commission. He was chairman of the Central Advisory Commission to the end of 1987. He was a lot of things at that time. Yeah, you're right.
2:17:50
Unknown_02:
He was a main head honcho. The thing with Deng Xiaoping was that he was never well liked in the party because of the fact that he wanted to open up China to the West and open it up to capitalist ideals.
Unknown_03: White cat, black cat, it doesn't matter as long as they catch mice sort of a thing. So he wasn't well liked. He was very ostracized for a long time before the party sort of accepted him.
2:18:30
Unknown_03:
And look, personally, I like the guy, you know, he opened up China to capitalism and I fucking love capitalism.
Unknown_03: It is utterly fucking grand. So, you know, I visited his golden statue in... Deng Xiaoping has a golden statue?
Unknown_02: Yeah, they built a big golden statue of him on top of a mountain.
Unknown_02: It's a pleasant walk, it's nice.
Unknown_02: And it looks over Hong Kong.
Unknown_00: I don't know, people are calling me a useful idiot. I was trying to give people a different view on China. Because when people talk about China, they have no fucking clue. It's strange.
2:19:09
Unknown_03:
Yeah, it's understandable.
Unknown_00: Most of them probably have a hard-on.
Unknown_03: for a particular way that China is. And unfortunately for them, China just moves too fast for them to comprehend.
Unknown_02: It's vastly different to what they have in mind.
Unknown_03: Fact is fact. And at the end of the day, regardless if they call me an apologist, call you a shill, whatever, right? The truth is still the truth.
2:19:52
Unknown_03:
There's an objective truth to everything.
Unknown_00: Oh yeah, and it is like Russia. People have this idea of what Russia and the Eastern Bloc is.
Unknown_00: It's very pleasant in the Eastern Bloc. It's very poor, but it's very tidy and clean, and the people are a lot nicer. They're not running around in fucking Adidas tracksuits throwing bottles of vodka at each other and just squatting all over the place. They do squat, and it's true.
Unknown_03: A lot of places are still like that in Russia and similarly with China. Everything that these people, the listeners are thinking of, every bad thing, probably still happens at some place in China. But as a general trend, as a general overview of what China is, it's not that at all.
2:20:25
Unknown_00:
Don't get your friend re-educated. Well, you're pretty much done with going to China for the meantime, right?
Unknown_02: Me?
Unknown_03: No, I actually want to go to China. Well, like I said, I've been since 2015 and
Unknown_03: The China that I went to in 2015 will be vastly different to the China that I visit now or next year, which is my plan. It's actually kind of scary and daunting for me because everything is different.
2:21:12
Unknown_03:
Robots fucking serve people in restaurants.
Unknown_03: Everything is cooked by robots in China. Everything is served by robots. It's going to be kind of weird. People are going to give me... like the evil eye for trying to pay in cash now and that's a bit daunting because in 2015 it was still just the normal China it was it was a similar China for the last 10 years and then back in 2016 it just did this massive fucking jump into advanced technology and and you know startups became sexy and now China's kind of fucking foreign to me as well
2:21:56
Unknown_00:
Bullshit most but I'll be going next year a lot of China is still fucking rural Especially to the west like nobody said otherwise like if you don't if you leave the cities and go to fuck in Xinjiang. Oh, yeah, like yeah, you're gonna be in in absolute Africa tier poverty Houses made of sticks and shit, you know But the the middle class in China like there's a hundred million people in the Chinese middle class It's a it's a mess. I would say there's probably more Well, oh, not not middle class. I meant like millionaires, people who have a net worth of like 100 million. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unknown_03: It's like, yeah, there's like 100 million million.
Unknown_00: The number of people like the distribution of wealth, ironically, is in the actual middle class. It's a lot fairer than it is in even the United States.
2:22:42
Unknown_00:
And you have all these people who have a million dollars, money to fuck around with, who are doing crazy shit. And if you're looking at why China has grown so well, it's because they do have a middle class. The United States does not have a middle class. It has people who are too fucking poor to do anything, who survive off the government. who continually vote for more Gibbs, you have a struggling middle class, which is falling to shit. And then you have like the wealthy and basically have everyone who believes in trickle down economics.
2:23:19
Unknown_03:
So you basically have everyone who believes in trickle down economics and then you have the people at the top who are doing the limited trickling.
Unknown_00: Well, in China, they literally redistribute wealth.
Unknown_03: Yes, yes, they do.
Unknown_03: you know, for better or for worse, whether you like it or not, it is what it is. It is what I do. I'm not making an argument for socialism.
Unknown_00: I'm just saying that's the reality. The reality of it is that being an American fucking sucks.
Unknown_00: And in China, yeah, you're going to have to have a sex and party dick, but your odds of having a financially beneficial life if you're a part of the East Coast is probably higher than it is in the US.
2:24:05
Unknown_03:
Yeah, that's, that's what we sort of didn't finish talking about before is that as as somebody who basically toes the party line, you're gonna live a pretty comfortable life. And this is why most people like, like that social scoring system.
Unknown_03: Because for most people who just live a normal life, it's very easy to score highly. And it's very easily to reap the benefits, you know?
Unknown_09: Yeah, this is why that is why that they're very
Unknown_03: they're very comfortable and openly comfortable about it. It's the people who basically criticize the government. And there's a lot of stuff for them to criticize about human rights issues, all sorts of fair and equity issues as well. But the people who openly do this, they get terrible, terrible social scores.
2:24:48
Unknown_03:
So, and you know, most people aren't protesters. Most people are just working middle class and they live very comfortable lives. They get extra benefits for having a higher social score.
Unknown_03: And I think what's what's bothering a lot of listeners that I talk about this in a very, in a very casual tone.
Unknown_03: You know, I'm not saying this with any with any sort of disgust or spite or anything. And I guess it's because I'm just used to like it like, it is what it is.
2:25:28
Unknown_03:
You know, I have my personal harvesting prisons.
Unknown_00: There must be Yes, yes, there is.
Unknown_00: In fact, I think most of them are.
Unknown_03: Basically, if a, if a, you know, if a prisoner is on death row and they've been given the death sentence, more than likely their organs will be harvested.
Unknown_00: Oh, after they die, don't they just get shot?
Unknown_02: No.
2:26:02
Unknown_00:
I'm pretty sure that, because somebody said, I was reading a story. Sometimes? There was an American living in China. They would hear, like, fireworks. And then they discovered that they were living very close to a prison and they were probably just hearing people get shot.
Unknown_02: Probably used to be the case.
Unknown_03: I think the shootings are decreasing in number because of, ironically, health and safety laws, because the cleanup is kind of a pain in the ass, so they prefer to just, like, you know, inject them. Obviously, they're not in sterile hospital bed conditions. They'd probably just still line them up, but instead of shooting them in the head, they'll just give them an injection in the neck.
2:26:39
Unknown_00:
You can't harvest organs from a person you injected lethal chemicals into. You can blow their brains out and then take the organs.
Unknown_02: Depends what you inject.
Unknown_00: If you can't put chemicals in somebody, then take their liver. That doesn't work. You gotta pop them.
Unknown_00: this is
2:27:24
Unknown_00:
that's how it kills you as it it fucks up your internal organ that you know you can take kidneys and liver some somebody who are you up for chemicals use,
Unknown_03: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Unknown_03: But in general, yes, they do harvest organs and they'll find a way to... Here's my question then.
Unknown_00: Okay, people are ranting and raving about this. Shouldn't we A, execute more people in the US and shouldn't we B, harvest them for everything they're fucking worth? Like, honestly, like, we have a serious fucking criminal issue here. Like, I see nothing wrong with executing pedophiles and taking their organs. Like, you know, you stole little Susie's virginity. We're gonna fucking take your heart. I'm sorry. Like, that's just, that's just the trade.
2:28:03
Unknown_02:
Well, it's one thing to think a certain way in our personal opinions, but what's palatable to the public is something different, especially in the West, where public opinion seems very cared about, I suppose.
2:28:42
Unknown_03:
My personal opinion on it is that, yeah, there are definitely logical reasons for harvesting organs of criminals, right?
Unknown_03: does it does it contravene a bunch of human rights?
Unknown_03: I guess it does. Probably probably does.
Unknown_00: My liver, you can't have my liver. My liver is too pure for you. Like, yeah, like,
Unknown_03: My personal opinion is that, yeah, there is a good argument to harvesting criminal organs. And yes, it does.
2:29:21
Unknown_00:
I think the big complaint, though, is that the people being executed are probably like political dissidents as opposed to pedophiles.
Unknown_03: It could be anything. It could be like drug.
Unknown_00: Oh, drugs are probably the big one.
Unknown_03: It could be drug traffickers, sex traffickers.
Unknown_03: that would incur
2:30:07
Unknown_03:
There was a girl who made a social media post throwing ink on a poster of Xi Jinping and said, I dare you to come take me away.
Unknown_03: I dare you to do something about it.
Unknown_03: Within a couple of hours, she posted up this photo or this video of her filming through her keyhole of two uniformed and one un-uniformed policemen knocking on her door, and basically she disappeared. She was radio silenced from that evening onwards. A couple of months later, they found her in a hospital being treated for mental illness somewhere.
2:30:47
Unknown_03:
But journalists who came to the hospital to look for her, the hospital told them that she wasn't there.
Unknown_03: But her family said she was.
Unknown_00: That's a Soviet thing, actually, is that they would treat people for this kind of made-up schizophrenia?
Unknown_00: Yeah, it's basically to brush them out of the way, I suppose.
Unknown_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to keep them out of the way. I mean, you just look up Ink Girl or Ink Girl China on Google and you'll find all sorts of shit about her.
Unknown_00: Wait, when did they arrest the CEO of Alibaba? That didn't fucking happen.
2:31:22
Unknown_02:
No, CEO of... CEO of Alibaba.
Unknown_00: Isn't that like Jack Ma? Yeah.
Unknown_03: Yeah, everyone loves Jack Ma. He holds the people's money in his trust.
Unknown_00: No, it was the... What's the search engine?
Unknown_03: Daughter of the CEO of Huawei recently. Literally like two, three days ago, they arrested her in Canada.
Unknown_03: She put in a court. She filed a court order to suppress the reason she was arrested So media can't say and they haven't released it But I think u.s. Is looking to extradite and China is really pissed off and saying that this hurts Chinese Canadian relations Fuck around with that because Yeah, this is so this is current news So it's probably worth following in the next couple of days because I'm pretty sure shit's gonna happen because yeah This is like a big deal
2:32:14
Unknown_00:
China owns like all the houses in Canada. I don't think there's a single country.
Unknown_09: That's right.
Unknown_03: Like within a matter of like 10 years, the house, the housing prices went up by 10 fold.
Unknown_02: So anything else?
Unknown_00: I'm curious.
Unknown_00: Anybody got other questions?
Unknown_00: Symbols don't matter, but don't you dare desecrate the picture of our glorious leader. The clear difference between the crucifix and the picture of Xi Jinping is that Xi Jinping is a living guy, and he's very image conscious.
2:32:51
Unknown_03:
A living god.
Unknown_00: No, not god. He's a guy. Unless you're making a joke, but you better be fucking careful about calling Xi Jinping a god. They're going to fucking take you seriously for that.
Unknown_03: Really?
Unknown_00: Ask about the Chinese real estate bubble and buying concrete shell apartments. We already talked about that.
Unknown_00: Well, we didn't talk about the real estate bubble, I guess.
Unknown_03: Okay, so simply put, you know, you can't sustain entire cities of empty houses, right?
2:33:36
Unknown_03:
So the government has put in policy to limit
Unknown_03: house ownership from now on so that, you know, it doesn't work retrospectively, but now it's like each individual can only own like one house or two houses or something like that.
Unknown_03: The on-flow effect of that is that people who own like, you know, rich motherfuckers own like 10 houses are starting to become scared, so they're starting to try and sell their houses.
Unknown_03: Now China's put in other economic policy to slow down because they realize it's a bubble. For sure it's a fucking bubble.
2:34:13
Unknown_03:
So China's put in policy to sort of like a gradual slope down out of this bubble. So, so far the bubble hasn't popped. And my personal opinion is that it's because of the strong culture of ownership in China of owning a house, it's unlikely to be pop, unlikely to pop. And the fact that China's sort of releasing air out of the bubble slowly, definitely it does help. You gotta understand, like the Chinese economists meticulously plan everything. This is one of those things that the West doesn't quite sort of comprehend is that while Western free markets allowed it to grow, to have basically huge free growth in the capitalist system, which I love, China's pretty much had a completely meticulously planned economy growth. And if they can- It's not always worked out, is the problem.
2:34:56
Unknown_03:
I mean, it's worked out overall. I mean... The four tragedies... Are you referring to something?
Unknown_00: I mean, there are serious issues with the plan system. Which four? The four tragedies, the fucking famine.
Unknown_03: Oh, back, yeah. No, so I'm talking about sort of modern China after Deng Xiaoping came into power.
Unknown_03: when they adopted a socio-capitalist system, I guess. The family one was kind of funny. A bunch of people, like a large portion of Chinese people. I shouldn't say that's funny, but basically because Lenin made a snide sideways remark to Mao about China owing a debt to Russia. And then Mao was triggered and he basically said, we're going to pay off the debt in two years. And this was like around 1950,
2:35:32
Unknown_03:
and he decided to pay off all of China's debt within a short amount and a bunch of people starved this is when everyone was melting their pots and pans at home
2:36:11
Unknown_03:
to contribute to the cause in metals. But in the end, they didn't realize they were melting just pig iron. It was pretty much valueless. But yeah, lots of people starved during that period because of a snide remark.
Unknown_00: People are saying that the CPC does not even deny the famine anymore. The official party line is that poor central planning contributed to the famine during the Great Leap Forward. That's not even denied by the party.
Unknown_03: Yeah, I don't know if they ever did. I don't know if I was alive from any point where they did, but probably. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me.
2:36:47
Unknown_00:
My favorite thing about that, though, is the story of how Mao Zedong declared, like, four pests, and one of them was the sparrow. And the sparrow ate seeds, and it ate insects.
Unknown_00: But because it ate seeds... Yeah, it hindered agriculture.
Unknown_00: Yeah, it was very useful for removing pests and for spreading seeds. So Mao Zedong declared the sparrow to be a pest and the Chinese would literally chase the sparrow around with pots and pans, forcing it out of trees and stuff until it would literally fall out of the sky and die of exhaustion. And the Swiss reported during this at the embassy that the sparrows would all hide in the Swiss embassy's trees, like hundreds of them, because it was the only place the Chinese couldn't get to with the pots and pans and kill the sparrows.
2:37:31
Unknown_00:
So that was a huge factor in the famines.
Unknown_02: Yeah, a lot of weird shit happened in those times.
Unknown_03: just because, yeah, literally just because Lenin made a snide remark about Mao and his ability to pay.
Unknown_03: But to finish off the real estate thing, so China's sort of doing a gradual slope to slow down the bubble, trying to prevent it from bursting.
2:38:19
Unknown_03:
Now, obviously, because of the policy of people owning only a limited number of houses and stuff,
Unknown_03: There is, you know, people are selling out the houses, trying to move their money overseas because, you know, having your money in China is kind of insecure because literally the government can do whatever they want with it. Technically, it's the same in the US and Australia. The government can just take your money in the bank. You know, there are laws just to allow that.
Unknown_03: But in China, they're just more likely to exercise it, I guess, in truth.
Unknown_03: And so people are sort of, there's a mass exodus of wealth out of China now for the last probably seven years, I'd say. And the government has put a control on that. So now any individual in China can only move money outwardly at a rate of 50,000 US per year per person. So that there is a policy there of wealth exodus in China. It is literally 50,000 US per year per person.
2:39:02
Unknown_03:
That's a little, little known fact.
Unknown_00: Well, it's a, even WhatsApp limits the amount that you could, could send people like when, when they're.
Unknown_03: Oh no, we're not talking about, we're not talking about a platform. We're talking about just literal federal, like state, like.
2:39:35
Unknown_00:
Yeah, yeah. But there's also a limit between how much you can send between people.
Unknown_02: In, on, in WhatsApp?
Unknown_00: Yes.
Unknown_02: Do you mean, or what do you, what do you mean?
Unknown_00: You can only send like up to like a hundred thousand dollars per year.
Unknown_03: That's like a WhatsApp policy, right?
Unknown_00: I don't know if it's a policy or a thing that the government did.
Unknown_02: The government of China?
Unknown_00: What other government? Yeah. I just said there's a hard... I don't know.
2:40:09
Unknown_02:
What's WhatsApp got to do with China?
Unknown_00: Oh, not WhatsApp. Fucking WeChat. Sorry. I mix it up all the fucking time. I'm sorry. Oh, okay.
Unknown_03: WeChat.
Unknown_03: I don't know.
Unknown_03: I'm sure there is a limit in in WeChat. I'm not sure it's to do with the exodus of funding. A lot of it would be if you're trying to move it overseas and stuff.
Unknown_03: But you know, a lot of it probably is to do with tax as well. I would say as an if you're over a certain
2:40:45
Unknown_03:
If you're moving over a certain amount of money, that means you have that much money to move. That means you should be over a certain tax threshold.
Unknown_00: Somebody is talking about about the banking. This guy called Robert Smith in chat. He is ranting. He's been ranting for fucking 15 minutes about this banking, this shadow banking system, like fucking muttering it to himself like a fucking lunatic. And it's like, ask a question. What do you know anything about a shadow banking system? Because this guy is about to eat his fucking arms in frustration.
Unknown_03: Okay, literally, literally, the shadow banking system is basically just the non official banking system. Every country has it. It's it's basically, you call it, it's basically the loan sharks.
2:41:22
Unknown_03:
Um, there's not some other, you know, there's not some other fucking Bitcoin based system. No, it's, it's literally just talking about, you know, like financial systems that are, um, not recorded officially.
Unknown_00: So, um, I mean, is that like Bitcoin or what?
Unknown_03: It could be, it could be anything. It's just anything that's, that's not the, that's not controlled by centrally controlled by the government.
2:41:58
Unknown_03:
Like shadow banking could be if I were a millionaire and you were like some big real estate developer and I loan you $100 million at 10% interest or whatever and you give that to me, obviously the government doesn't touch any of that.
Unknown_03: That's basically the shadow banking. That's shadow banking.
Unknown_03: It's just, it's just big financial, big organized financial, not necessarily big, but just well organized financial institutions that do finance stuff, but is independent of the official.
Unknown_00: It's just like a black market.
Unknown_03: Literally. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's literally what it is.
Unknown_00: Yeah. That doesn't, I mean, I'm confused. It's nothing, it's nothing significant or particular to China.
2:42:48
Unknown_00:
really every country has it except in China the local governments borrow from it to fund huge developments well I guess that's just like corruption is that what would be considered corruption?
Unknown_02: Yeah, it's not quite corruption. It's definitely not above board.
Unknown_03: It's basically when local governments can't get a certain amount of funding from the central government, they'll go through the shadow banking system with the permission of the central government sort of a thing.
Unknown_00: It kind of reminds that the way it's described is like the Yakuza I'm just confused like what what in particular you want to hear about because It's yeah, the shadow banking system is nothing interesting or different to how to however it operates in the in the West It's nothing particular to China.
2:43:44
Unknown_03:
I
Unknown_03: Other than, as you said, governments are willing to do business with the shadow banking system, which is essentially just an unrecorded financial system.
Unknown_00: He says it's as big as the actual banking system, but I mean, I guess it would be wise not to keep money in the Chinese banks Yeah, like just how it sounds to me. Like I would want to keep my money in fucking bags of rice Yeah, gold bars or something yeah, like and obviously with the shadow banking system there's no guarantee there either
2:44:22
Unknown_03:
And it might be as big as the actual system.
Unknown_03: Probably I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised, but because it's kind of unrecorded, I don't think anyone really has any idea. But yeah, like it's, it's, um, I mean, I get what you're saying, but it's not particularly interesting. It's kind of old news, I guess.
Unknown_00: It's a, it just sounds like what would be a natural consequence. Very large. I think what they're hinting at is, um, you know, people, people are speculating that China is going to collapse at some point in the near future, like not in the distant future, but in the near, the near future. And I don't think it is like the main idea that I have is that once America, once Trump fixes America, and once we stop importing goods from China, the Chinese economy is going to completely and totally collapse because it's propped up by the U S.
2:44:56
Unknown_00:
and that seems to be the wrong theory
Unknown_03: Yes, a majority of stuff, Chinese exports does go to US, but also it's because Chinese has been focusing on the US for the last 20 years.
Unknown_03: Recently, because of the trade wars, China has changed its focus to other countries and also propping up a strong domestic market.
2:45:43
Unknown_03:
For many reasons, which I won't bother to list because they're detailed and small and numerous, I highly doubt China's going to collapse anytime soon.
Unknown_00: The argument is that China provides no necessary exports that people would need, that they can't get elsewhere, that they couldn't make it domestically.
Unknown_02: Yeah, true.
Unknown_03: But the logic is in a slippery slope where because they don't make anything necessary, they're going to fail. That's a bit of a slippery slope that you can't really make.
2:46:27
Unknown_00:
and
Unknown_00: Because I know I can someone can someone can someone link it to it's not it's not particularly relevant. It's just as a hypothetical if the United States were to replace all of all of its Chinese imports overnight, what would China do to fix that?
2:47:05
Unknown_00:
To stabilize its economy?
Unknown_03: Nothing, it would it would be it would be fucking mayhem if overnight, the early import stopped.
Unknown_00: Well, okay, even if it wasn't overnight, let's say that Trump put out a four-year plan to do this. What would China do to correct the problem?
Unknown_03: Well, it's already taking steps to do that by having stronger economic ties with many other, especially developing countries. Developing countries need a lot of shit. Countries with
2:47:39
Unknown_03:
with that previously had no middle class, but with a growing middle class, they're very hungry. Places like Africa, places like South America, they fucking love Chinese goods, as does the US.
Unknown_03: And so as China recently has been making stronger ties, you had the American trade group, whatever that was called, I was reading about it the other day, but China's like made its own, you know, with Brazil and all those other countries, some acronym, the US had one with its acronym, the China had its own with its acronym.
2:48:20
Unknown_03:
And there's like APAC as well. And, you know, basically, they're just big trading blocks.
Unknown_03: that get created.
Unknown_03: And what China's doing that to, I guess, to enforce itself against the US trade war is that it's forming closer ties and trade blocks with other nations. That's its plan of softening any sort of US pushback.
Unknown_03: Like if it happened overnight, yeah, like shit would crash.
Unknown_03: Not only in China, because everything's so well linked, shit in the entire world will crash.
2:48:57
Unknown_03:
Um, but obviously it's not going to happen overnight. So it's just in general, there was that recent recent article I was reading that, um, uh, I think the, the U S obviously, um, it either started taxing or banned. No, no, China started limiting pork.
Unknown_03: uh imports from the us so it started limiting american pork which dealt a big blow to the farmers but obviously the american government who's
2:49:30
Unknown_03:
who's having a trade war at the moment, to soften that promise the American pig farmers that they would buy, the government would buy a certain amount of pork, a certain tonnage of pork per year from the farmers in order to soften that blow. I actually don't understand how that system works. What does the government do with all that pork? Probably subsidize it somewhere else or something like that. But the irony was that
Unknown_03: One of the major pork companies was owned by a Chinese company. So essentially, the government was buying pork from an American company that was owned by a Chinese company.
Unknown_03: And they were doing it because China banned pork imports.
Unknown_00: Yeah, well, that's a I mentioned that story from the guy from pole like way way back when when I first started talking, and that's his his whole thing was don't go to China and don't do business in China because they will they will implement whatever tricks they can try and fuck you or
2:50:36
Unknown_03:
You have to be, one, a shrewd businessman to be able to successfully do business in China. And secondly, the way to do business in China is very different to the West. It took Coca-Cola 10 years to learn that. Coca-Cola was in China 10 years before they even had an actual presence, an out-facing retail presence in China. Coke was doing stuff in China for 10 years. They were learning how it works, how doing business in China works.
Unknown_03: underscored by contracts and agreements and law and stuff like that. It's just a very different climate to do business.
2:51:16
Unknown_00:
Alright, somebody's been begging me to ask you about pollution. What is the pollution situation in China?
Unknown_02: Okay, so I think it's called PM
Unknown_02: What is that? The measurement?
Unknown_00: No pounds per mil or something.
Unknown_02: No, no, no. It's, it's, um, let me look it up. Pollution unit. It's quality.
Unknown_03: I think it's just called PM. Yeah. It's PM levels, um, which measures air quality.
2:51:49
Unknown_02:
So, um,
Unknown_02: My experience with it starts back in the 2008 Beijing Olympics when Beijing being a city that's surrounded by basically industrial factories is constantly the skies are grey, brown, having one out of ten days might be a blue sky sort of a thing.
Unknown_03: what China did two weeks before the Olympics was, like while China doesn't have, this is back in 2008 we're talking about, so while China didn't have the awareness of being environmentally aware as it does kind of today in 2008, what they did have was political power. And what they did two weeks before the opening ceremony of the Olympics was basically ban cars from driving on the Beijing roads. They have massive political power to do shit like that.
2:52:38
Unknown_03:
So when the opening ceremony happened, when they were on the international stage, Beijing looked really clean.
Unknown_03: Now what they've done was because there's a huge number of cars, they limit
Unknown_03: So if you live in Beijing, it depends on what the last number of your number plate is. If it's an odd number, you can take it out on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, sort of a thing. If it's an even number, you can take it out on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. Sundays are free for all.
2:53:15
Unknown_03:
So that's how they limit the number of cars on the road.
Unknown_03: So depending on what license plate your car is, you can only take it out on certain days. Probably a little known fact.
Unknown_02: In terms of pollution, just in Beijing, because it's overcrowded, which Beijing is probably a place with probably the worst air quality as well.
Unknown_03: It's basically when people talk about the pollution issue in China, they're talking about Beijing, because it's the only place with that issue.
2:53:52
Unknown_03:
Like other major cities like Shanghai, Guangdong and stuff, they're fine. They're nice and clean. Shanghai is very, very westernized. So it's basically just Beijing, the old political capital. What they've done now is that they've, probably for the last five years, and when they become more environmentally aware, they have tried to put in controls to limit the number of, you know, the PM levels in the air. They've limited the amount of work that the factory's done. They've limited the amount of, like, pollutants that factories can release.
2:54:27
Unknown_03:
So I think just only within the last year, it's starting to subside a little bit. But it's still awful. You get days where they recommend you not go outside. The PM levels, when it's a bad day, it's like a hundred times more than what the safe level is.
Unknown_03: We're not talking about just over or anything like that on a bad day in Beijing.
2:55:02
Unknown_00:
There are multiple major cities in China that are in the top 10 most polluted cities on the planet.
Unknown_03: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. I think that takes average PM levels.
Unknown_03: per year or something like that. So if I'm looking at the real-time air pollution quality index right now, it's 65, which is moderate in Beijing.
Unknown_03: Over the past 48 hours, the minimum is 13, the maximum is 151. It's PM 2.5, PM 10, which is a different particle. 17 to 192 like yeah, I'm not sure what these numbers mean either but you can just take it as a general in max If I were to look at I'll just compare it to say What's a good American city to compare it to San Fran?
2:55:40
Unknown_00:
Like a giant shitty dump, you know, I Know I mean like like an average decent US city. Oh, no, San Francisco is also a dump um
Unknown_03: I just want to compare PM levels so I can sort of anchor.
Unknown_00: Like a mid-sized city? I don't even know. Probably something like Buffalo. Buffalo would probably be an American city.
Unknown_02: All right.
2:56:24
Unknown_02:
PM levels, Buffalo, New York.
Unknown_00: Or Seattle. Seattle, Memphis.
Unknown_03: Okay. So Buffalo at the moment is good at 39. Beijing right now is moderate at 65. So Buffalo minimum 28, maximum 60 for the last 48 hours. Um, and this is where you get the funny thing in Beijing for the last 48 hours, minimum 13, maximum 151. So it fluctuates a lot more.
2:56:58
Unknown_00:
Yeah.
Unknown_03: Yeah.
Unknown_00: Is that like I said, from a different city or what?
Unknown_03: Yeah, it's basically it's Beijing's kind of surrounded by factories and industry. So on a bad day, depending on the weather and when you get all sorts of shit being blown in, the government will come out with like safety announcements, you know, PSA saying you should stay indoors, everyone around when people wear masks and shit on the subway.
Unknown_03: Yeah.
2:57:29
Unknown_00:
So, like, uh, do they have a plan to repair air pollution or like, in the long run? Uh, yeah, like I said, like I said, it's a, it's a, they have a strategy to basically, the general strategy is to just reduce air pollution, have, have less sort of like coal burning and more,
Unknown_03: renewables and stuff like that. Second to Germany, China is one of the leading investors in renewables domestically. It's got all sorts of solar-powered shit and energy-efficient crap.
Unknown_03: Like you go to even the small towns and stuff, and all the streetlights are all solar wind powered. They have a really cool design, which is just a pole with a light on it. And on top, there's a solar panel, and underneath, there's a little wind turbine. So it's both.
2:58:09
Unknown_01:
I don't know if it's connected to the grid, but it's pretty common sight in China.
Unknown_03: All the street lamps are solar slash wind powered.
Unknown_00: They can just manufacture and produce this shit. Well, at least in the big cities, they are.
Unknown_00: the rural towns, you don't have shit. No, no, in the rural towns, this is what they have in the big cities, they have to have to like, care about urban planning and aesthetics and stuff.
2:58:43
Unknown_03:
It's in the rural town that they have this.
Unknown_03: Because they don't have a fancy solar panels.
Unknown_03: Yeah, these aren't fancy. They're just, they're just street lamps with a solar panel and a wind fan turbine thing, you know, the blades on it.
Unknown_03: I mean, I guess we call them fancy in Australia and the US because these aren't so prevalent. But yeah, they're literally everywhere in China.
Unknown_00: Chat's very skeptical about solar panel.
Unknown_00: They don't like solar panel.
2:59:20
Unknown_03:
Well, you know, I'm just telling you what's in China, what I see.
Unknown_00: Okay, they're begging me to read you this article about fake moons. Have you heard of this?
Unknown_02: No.
Unknown_00: They're saying that China is so polluted that the government is planning to replace streetlights with fake moons. I'll put this up.
Unknown_00: This is the aha.
Unknown_00: Gotcha.
Unknown_02: Where have you pasted it?
2:59:55
Unknown_00:
Hangouts.
Unknown_00: Okay, so I'll bring it up on the thing. China's Chinese cities plan to launch an artificial moon to replace streetlights. Dust-like glow, a proposed satellite could light an area with a diameter of 10 to 80 kilometers, People Daily reports. In Chengdu, there is a reportedly an ambitious plan afoot for replacing the city's streetlights, boosting the glow of a real moon with that of a more powerful fake one.
3:00:27
Unknown_03:
So they're gonna send, like, a satellite that basically floats over China to provide light, replacing street lamps.
Unknown_00: Is that the idea? Uh, that's what it sounds like. It doesn't sound like anything having to do with pollution. I don't know why they said that was, like, a pollution thing.
Unknown_00: I haven't heard this before, but that actually sounds kind of fucking cool. You could, you could, uh, make it so that it broadcasts, like, a picture of Xi Jinping to replace them.
Unknown_03: Yeah, he's now the man in the moon. His face is just going to be carved on the fucking thing.
Unknown_03: No, but that sounds fucking ultra sci-fi and kind of ultra cool.
3:01:12
Unknown_03:
To comment on what I think people might be thinking about is some insidious plan to trick people into thinking there's a, I mean, obviously no one's gonna think that it's a real moon.
Unknown_03: It's probably literally just China's ambitious plan to control the environment they live in. I mean, I personally, I think that's kind of fucking cool. If I could launch a satellite, you know, to replace the moon for nights when there is no moon and I just want a nice looking moon, isn't, I mean, that's cool. I like the idea.
3:01:46
Unknown_03:
I'm not sure that there's anything particularly insidious about it or anything to do with pollution.
Unknown_03: Regardless of whether it's a moon or a fake moon, the amount of pollution that's in the Beijing skies when it's bad, it covers everything. Forget about the moon. You can't even see 20 feet ahead of you.
Unknown_03: So I doubt a fake moon's gonna make them forget about the situation they're fucking in.
Unknown_03: But with that said, as a separate idea, I think having a satellite launch to replace a moon is fucking amazing.
3:02:24
Unknown_00:
It's like you're trolling them.
Unknown_00: They're mad about the environmental destruction right now, which I guess is fair, because the Chinese don't really seem to care about the environment too much.
Unknown_03: Not traditionally. So when China was a developing country.
Unknown_03: So, okay, so this is another big topic, but TLDR, traditionally in the industrial revolution of the West, you know, the West was very pollutant. They destroyed entire ecosystems with their coal burning and stuff like that. But now they're all first world, so they can do things like, you know, energy efficiency and stuff like that. It's a little bit unfair to say to countries, developing countries like South America, and I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's a little bit unfair to say to like Brazil, hey, you can't be doing this developing country shit where you take shit out of the ground, burn it. It's unfair to say to India and China and places of developing Europe that, hey, while we did this in the 30s and stuff, and we did it, we polluted everything, now we're first world, you can't do the same. We don't want you to use these methods to become a developed country. It's unfair to say that. Now, I'm not saying that it's
3:03:01
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bad that we're telling them to not pollute. But they don't have the means to like, you know, have energy efficient, renewable systems, they kind of have to use coal because coal is kind of cheap, you know. So it's a little bit unfair to say that they can't.
3:03:44
Unknown_03:
Not that it's not a good thing.
Unknown_00: They're producing far more pollution than we did at our peak, but they have way, way more fucking people than we did during the Industrial Revolution.
Unknown_03: Yeah, look, everything you kind of have to get an accurate measure, you kind of have to measure per capita. Now, as carbon footprint per capita, Australia is actually one of the biggest, by the way. This environmentalist, environment-loving country is actually one of the biggest carbon footprints per capita, just because we live in big spaces, we are a rich country, we consume a lot and we throw away a lot. China is actually one of the lower ones, if you look at per capita.
3:04:24
Unknown_03:
if you look at just carbon footprint per capita. And in the last probably five, seven years, China has, like many other countries, China has openly stated that, yes, there is a global warming issue and they're putting in strategy and policy to, I guess, help ease that.
3:05:17
Unknown_00:
Are you aware that there is a synagogue in Beijing?
Unknown_02: The synagogue is everywhere.
Unknown_00: What is Xi Jinping going to do about that? The imminent threat?
Unknown_02: Nothing. He doesn't care about religion.
Unknown_02: From a government point of view, religion doesn't really exist. So they'll probably just...
Unknown_02: look at it as with any other church and just, you know, if you basically, you can do whatever the fucked up thing you want.
Unknown_03: If you start disrupting society, or if you start disrupting or putting a bad look on the government, then we're going to do something bad. Otherwise, you know, go nuts.
3:05:58
Unknown_00:
They're not going to shut down the synagogue.
Unknown_02: They might try and take it's cross or it's fucking... It's Star of David.
Unknown_02: Yeah, they might try and do that.
Unknown_02: There's not that many Jews in China.
Unknown_00: Hmm.
Unknown_00: There's actually a website called synagogue.org that is about the Chinese synagogue, which I find funny. It's like, it's such a prominent domain name that's dedicated to this, this, uh, this Jewish clique that's still in Beijing.
3:06:37
Unknown_02:
Yeah. I wonder what the population that is. Cause probably not very little.
Unknown_02: I think so.
Unknown_06: Yeah.
Unknown_00: Anything else? The K-Feng people are all Jewish Chinese. Heard of the K-Feng?
Unknown_02: Yes, I have. Yes, there's a group of, I guess like many generations ago, there were a bunch of Jews that came to China.
3:07:14
Unknown_03:
And I mean, they all look Chinese and stuff, but technically they're like, they originate from Jewish roots.
Unknown_02: And they live in a particular part of China. And they have their own language, I think.
Unknown_03: It's very, I know very little about it, because it's not like a well known thing. It's, it's probably a very, you know, one of those particular things that that's not very well known about. What's that word I'm looking for?
Unknown_00: Obscure?
Unknown_03: Yeah, obscure, obscure.
3:07:53
Unknown_00:
I don't know. People don't know about it. People don't care about it. People are very concerned about the future of China if they don't deal with the Kaifeng Menace immediately.
Unknown_03: I don't think the Kaifeng Menace has anything on the part of the Chinese central government.
Unknown_00: Maybe they can share a cell with the Uyghurs.
Unknown_00: Maybe they can share a cell with the Uyghurs.
Unknown_02: Maybe they could.
Unknown_00: I'm not too worried about the religious influence.
3:08:29
Unknown_00:
I'm vaguely aware that South Korea in particular has had serious issues with influencers from outside the country fucking with the country. But after World War II in particular, with the Japanese trying to conquer basically all China,
Unknown_00: Like China, I think it's even written to the constitution That only the Chinese can can rule over China. Like you can't be a politician in China unless you're Chinese I have I have um If you like if you want to talk this is the thing that gets me like I I said yesterday That all authoritarianism is bad to me. I do not like authoritarianism. I don't care if it's far right or far left I don't care if it's communist. I don't care if it's like like fascist because censorship is is like it'll always bite you in the ass just anybody who likes to speak their mind and Yeah, unless unless you are the authority obviously Yeah, but it's like I'm in agreeance, but that's my that's my one caveat is that unless I'm the actual authority authority, that's that's a very chinky thing of you to say motherfucker.
3:09:12
Unknown_03:
It is indeed. It is indeed.
Unknown_00: But uh,
Unknown_00: I was gonna say it's written in their constitution that only the Chinese can rule China. And I'm not for censorship at all.
Unknown_00: And I'm not worried for for the Chinese in terms of having having outside influence. It's just not gonna happen. I don't think. Yeah, no.
3:09:58
Unknown_03:
Like even on a commercial basis, it's very difficult.
Unknown_03: Um,
Unknown_03: The government will always have its fat little fingers in the pot somewhere. The policy for foreign investment is you have to be partnered with a local company to do any business in China. Another little-known fact, you can't just go to China and establish Coca-Cola or LLC or whatever.
3:10:36
Unknown_03:
You have to be partnered up with a local Chinese company to do anything.
Unknown_00: Yeah, they have to own like 50% of it, right?
Unknown_02: Yes.
Unknown_02: Minimum 50% of the company.
Unknown_03: And that basically, I mean, 50% in a Western sense, it means you have equal power. In China, no. 50% means that 50%, but the Chinese government gets to tell you what to do.
3:11:14
Unknown_00:
People are calling you a shill. I don't get it. He's not shilling. He's not saying go spend all your money in China. Forgive China for all its sins. It's like these are the sins. These are the things that they do that decrease enjoyment of freedom in the country. I think it's the very nonchalant way that I describe China.
Unknown_03: I'm not saying, oh, this is atrocious. It's probably the very neutral language I use. While neutral, when the listeners are bent a certain way, anything to the other side, to one side of it, would sound against them. But China, of course, says it's good and it's bad. And that's the truth of it. It's a very big country.
3:11:49
Unknown_03:
You know, you can overall, you can sort of get a measure of what my opinion on it is by the fact that I'm not living in there and I would like to avoid doing business in there. So you can sort of get an idea of my overall feeling on it.
Unknown_03: But because it's so big, there's definitely a lot of profit to be had, lots of advantage to be taken in China. Like, I'm happy it exists.
Unknown_03: And, you know, just as with anything in life, take what you can from it and avoid the bad parts, right?
3:12:31
Unknown_00:
Is China better than the West?
Unknown_03: Seriously, stupid question, because you need to be specific in what metric we're using.
Unknown_00: I don't know what metric. I suppose if we're going by where you would prefer to live, like your answer is obvious because you don't live in China.
Unknown_03: Yeah, exactly. And I would refuse to live in China long term, at least for the time being. Look, to be honest, and my entire life, I've always thought that living in the West is better. And it's only in probably the last two years from what I've seen in China that
3:13:08
Unknown_03:
I'm starting to think, and obviously I'm not even considering it at this stage, but just as a thought project, looking at it on the surface of it, China's becoming a more easier place to live for a more or less Westerner or a Western-orientated person like me. An interesting thing about, at least on the ground level, on an individual level, the service industry far exceeds that of the West.
3:13:44
Unknown_03:
you know, things like delivery meals and stuff like that. 24 hours, 24-7, you can get anything you want. If you went to a restaurant on the other side of town and you left your bottle of wine at home, you can basically um for like 20 bucks you can you can get someone to like deliver it to you for like you know within like half an hour they'll come they'll come to your place and you know somebody else in your place will give it to them or if you've got one of those like high-tech uh phone controlled locks you can open it up and they come and get it for you everything will be recorded on their cam um if you left your purse or your bike helmet or something at the restaurant, and now you're home and it's 1am, you can basically order a service that goes and gets your helmet. The hospitality and service industry is very mature in China now compared to the West, like vastly exceeds that of the West. Probably because labor is so cheap.
3:14:20
Unknown_00:
But yeah, well when you talk about that like even here like it's it's very hard in the eastern block to get shit done like you it's a struggle like everything is fucking annoying.
Unknown_00: And that was that was that was my biggest problem in the Philippines is that everything was so fucking annoying.
Unknown_00: Everything was was too complicated and like I don't know like again. I'm not I'm not offending China. I'm just saying that in terms of like of Convenience factor like that shit China does a lot of things, right?
3:15:05
Unknown_03:
Yeah. And there is a sort of an insidious background to it. Okay. They make living very comfortable. It's very hard to step out of line. Once again, it's carrot and the stick. They make the carrot so big and the stick so big that it's just even logically, it's almost like it's stupid to want to do something different. You know what I mean?
3:15:39
Unknown_03:
Like the incentives to tow the party line are so big that even naturally just using a full-on free market capitalist thought system, it makes sense to do it this way.
Unknown_03: It's like, it's like, would you, would you, would you like, you know, let me rephrase that.
Unknown_00: Cause I think, uh, I think there's a, there's a better way to phrase that because what, what you've described is that a lot of people say that, Oh, China is a communist country when it's not, it's, it's more of a state capitalism.
3:16:16
Unknown_00:
Yeah. One of the silliest things to say.
Unknown_03: in modern times is that China is a communist country.
Unknown_00: China is very much so like how the Third Reich was, in that you have companies that are sort of seamlessly integrated into the government, like Alibaba and all the other big companies that do business directly with the party. Are no different than how the people's whatever were in Germany in my opinion and There's there's you get the same kind of censorship. You get the same kind of party control over shit and like What happens is is because China is so big you have all these state capitalism organs that are at the top that are controlled by the party and But then at a certain level, if you're a little guy, there is no fucking way for a party of any number of people to actually regulate every little ant that is at the very bottom of the pyramid. So at the basic level, at the very bottom, you can get away with a lot of shit. You can do pretty much whatever you want. And in that regard, you're free as long as you don't piss off the party, which I wouldn't accept. I wouldn't want to live in a country where I can do whatever I want as long as I don't piss off the party. But I mean, I kind of do, because I live in a country where technically there's censorship. anti Holocaust denial laws here, but because I'm just some fucking fat American and I'm not trying to influence politics at all, I can get away with saying a lot of shit that maybe a local wouldn't get away with.
3:17:52
Unknown_00:
But I wouldn't want to live in a country that actually moderates my speech.
Unknown_02: Nah, nah.
Unknown_02: I would agree with that. Our governments don't harvest organs from political prisoners, but if this was the kind of far-right authoritarian fascism that people seem to want, yeah, they would.
Unknown_03: It makes a lot of economic sense. It really does.
Unknown_00: Look at the fucking water purification shit in Manchuria. Look up the weird experiments that the Germans did, making some chick's urethra go into her ass, where she later died of infection. Like, there was weird, freaky, perverted fucking shit that was happening in fascist countries, no different than what's happening now.
3:18:32
Unknown_03:
And it's not just political prison, by the way. It is actually just all prisoners.
Unknown_00: Our government has censorship of the internet. Yes, they do. Good luck if you're in Germany, go try to look up that fucking Waffen SS song. Like it's not as bad as in China where they don't have their own little eye internet where they pervert absolutely everything. But you can rest assured that EU is going there.
Unknown_00: I don't, I don't see how that's even debatable. Like if you think that the European Union is not going to be as strictly filtered as China is in 20 years, I don't know. I don't know what to say. Oh, somebody wants to know if the Chinese can jack off to anime titties.
3:19:12
Unknown_02:
As in can they physically or I mean, are you allowed to download Japanese hentai in China? There's so much porn of every kind in China.
Unknown_03: That's absolutely the same.
Unknown_00: I think their porn was banned in China.
Unknown_03: Officially, yeah, but it's officially banned in lots of places. Anime is censored in China.
Unknown_00: Doesn't mean you can't get it.
3:19:46
Unknown_03:
Like, I don't know about the US, but I'm still using Pirate Bay, you know, on the daily.
Unknown_00: Are they?
Unknown_00: As long as it's up, they have trouble keeping it.
Unknown_00: They still do that fucking whack-a-mole game. There's literally a million proxies everywhere.
Unknown_03: I mean, like, it's just, you look at, I look at China the same way I look at shit like the United Arab Emirates, you know?
Unknown_00: The UAE has a lot of shit, like China has. It's a much smaller country with a lot more money per capita. So they can more rigorously implement kinds of things. And they do, they have facial recognition technology. They're a police state, Singapore's a police state. People don't shit on Singapore as much as they shit on China. And Singapore is a literal fucking police state where you get fined outrageous amounts of money for chewing gum and sticking it somewhere. Again, never stop whining about censorship in the past because if you for a moment, for a moment,
3:20:21
Unknown_00:
calls on that, it will get as bad as China very, very quickly. And they're trying to do it in the back end. And what's funny is that the Brett Kavanaugh thing happened recently, where I supported the nomination for Brett Kavanaugh because I didn't want to set the precedent that if all you want to do to get rid of a political opponent is to call them a rapist, and that's it. There's nothing you can do in response to that.
3:20:56
Unknown_00:
That was my stance for supporting Kavanaugh, but Kavanaugh was a Bush, Bush Jr. era White Houser who was in support of the Patriot Act, which is the first domino to all this horrible fucking NSA bullshit that's happening constantly. And now our Supreme Court Justice is Brett Kavanaugh, and he's probably going to continue to step all over cyber privacy laws. So I mean, even I, even I, with all my song and dance about censorship, I support a denomination of somebody who is going to vote to reduce my rights in the near future and for the rest of his life.
3:21:35
Unknown_00:
So I'm sorry if I'm not singing a hard enough
Unknown_00: taking a hard enough stance against China. China seems like a great place to make a lot of money off a lot of people who have a lot of money.
Unknown_00: And that's, I would say that's the bottom line. If you want to make a lot of fucking money, put a party-friendly app in their app store, because they don't use the Google Play Store. They use their own segregated market for apps.
3:22:21
Unknown_00:
Go put a little app on that and make your fucking money off loot boxes and gambling and shit, and bring it back. And definitely that piss off the government. Don't piss off the government, leave the skeletons out of the game, they don't like skeletons.
Unknown_02: Yeah, bottom line, don't piss off the government, and you'll be okay.
Unknown_00: Yeah, but otherwise, if you've got money, if you want to make money, China's a good place to spend money. Definitely. China has a lot of money.
Unknown_02: Yeah, it's a good place to spend money for sure.
Unknown_02: I mean, it's got great things like chicken feet, which are delicious.
3:22:59
Unknown_00:
All right, any other questions? Because this has been an hour and a half. I think that's a good place to call it quits. Somebody else got something that's burning them that I've somehow managed not to see.
Unknown_00: Somebody's asking about eating live fish in China, but I'm pretty sure that's the Japanese that eat the live fish.
Unknown_02: Nope, there's a dish called live fish in China. You can find YouTubes of it being cooked. Essentially what they do, they get a live fish, they gut it, and they score it, and they quickly dip it in starch, and they deep fry it, and they put it on a plate, and they put a sauce over it, and when it's served, the fish's mouth is still doing that gobble, gobble thing.
3:23:52
Unknown_05:
I guess that's awful.
Unknown_00: But the rest of its body is covered in batter and deep fried and covered with a delicious sauce.
Unknown_03: Yeah, it's awful.
Unknown_00: It's awful. Ruined my fucking day. Okay, somebody is desperate, eating live monkey brain.
Unknown_03: Sounds like something that I think was more prevalent in the 30s in like the Indian continents. I know Southern China, did it as a fad for a short period, but once again, this was like 50 years ago.
3:24:30
Unknown_03:
I'm almost close to certain that there's probably zero occurrence of that. I mean, does somebody have a video of it that I can watch? Haven't you seen Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom?
Unknown_00: No! Is that a thing that happens in...
Unknown_00: Really? Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah. Chet's asking a question about something that happened in fucking Indiana Jones.
Unknown_03: Probably. A chink strapped live dogs behind their cars.
Unknown_00: Oh, what? That was in Delhi, wasn't it?
Unknown_02: What? That wasn't in China, that was in Delhi, in an Indiana Jones movie.
3:25:07
Unknown_00:
Oh, yes, I think so. Now that you mention it, yeah.
Unknown_00: Does China still torture animals because they think fear makes the meat taste better even though adrenaline is bitter? I'm not sure.
Unknown_02: No, I don't think that was I think that might have just been a rumor Yeah, like we doesn't everyone know that torturing animals or making them scared make him taste like shit
Unknown_00: Is that a thing? I've never heard of this.
Unknown_03: Yeah, like if animals are afraid, their muscles tighten up and something to do with the blood flow and basically their meat is less tender. It's like... Oh, somebody said Chinese love eating bitter foods, which is why they scare the fuck out of them before killing them.
3:25:44
Unknown_02:
Partially true. We like eating bitter food, but it's usually like vegetables and stuff.
Unknown_03: We have a thing called bitter melon, which
Unknown_03: you know, it's exactly what it sounds like. And we stir fry it with eggs and it's, you know, it's an acquired taste. I mean, I don't mind it.
Unknown_03: In terms of meat, like, no, nobody wants bitter meat. That's ridiculous.
Unknown_03: And also, the difference between a scared animal and non-scared animal, the meat of it is practically indecidable, realistically.
3:26:30
Unknown_00:
Okay, somebody wants to know about the Chinese welfare system. I don't think there is one, is there?
Unknown_03: It's generally state-run. Okay, so China still has a full-on, what you would call a federal or centralized welfare system. This is a latent from the communist era where
Unknown_03: Essentially, you would be designated a role or for the rest of your life, you'd be like a steel worker or you'd be like a teacher or something. When you're retired, you would still get a salary. In China, that still exists. So when you're retired, you still get a central government paid salary that is equivalent to I think it's like 50% of what you're
3:27:03
Unknown_03:
what your normal salary was when you were working. So yeah, so the government still look after you till you die, basically. That's a legacy from communism.
Unknown_00: If you're homeless or something, you have issues.
Unknown_03: Well, if you're homeless, then you never had a job, so if you get... So it's not really a welfare system, it's more of a pension system.
Unknown_03: Yeah, central plan.
Unknown_02: So, okay, you're talking about like... I'm talking about Gimme Dax.
Unknown_00: What do we call it?
Unknown_02: Social security.
Unknown_00: Well, in Australia, it's like superannuation, but it's not superannuation. In the UK, it's called pension. And it's just shit that everybody gets. But people are asking specifically about gimme dads.
3:27:44
Unknown_03:
So literally, like, what do they do about the homeless? I'm gonna say I think nothing. I'm pretty sure homeless people just are just homeless.
Unknown_03: Yeah, I don't think there's, there's probably lots of lots and lots of localized programs, but I, but I don't think there's like a central policy to deal with, with homelessness or, or like, uh, like food shit or, uh, it's, it's easy to get, look, it's easy to get enough food in China. You won't generally, you won't stop.
3:28:30
Unknown_03:
You've got a paid question.
Unknown_02: Is that a paid question?
Unknown_00: Yeah, that one is, I was going to say that to after you're finished answering, but how is gay rights in China?
Unknown_03: Much like most of the Western world, you can't legally marry.
Unknown_03: It's no longer a criminal activity since might have been like the latest 2001.
Unknown_03: So in China, there's sort of two levels of existence. One is in the political arena, and one is sort of in the local general, I would say, real world arena. So from a political sense, gay people don't have any extra rights, nor are they at this point
3:29:07
Unknown_03:
they don't have any disadvantages politically.
Unknown_00: Wasn't there a story about like a gay or transgender like, like anchor being removed?
Unknown_03: Oh yeah. No, one of the, literally one of the biggest, uh, literally one of the biggest, uh, stars in China right now is this transgender woman who hosts this, the, you know, you know how dating shows are massive in China. She hosts one of the biggest ones. So she's massively popular. She's a man who turned into a woman. Uh, I don't know what that's called. I think that's what called a trans woman.
3:29:46
Unknown_03:
But yeah, she's literally one of the biggest stars. She's literally a billionaire. Yeah, she's male to female.
Unknown_03: She's literally a billionaire, one of the most popular people in China. So from a government, from a policy and legal perspective, no, they can't legally get married, but then they don't have any disadvantages. In a sort of cultural real world living sense, some old timers might still be against the idea. Culturally,
3:30:19
Unknown_03:
you know, you still might get frowned upon by some old timers, but generally for the common person in China, it's, it's pretty much just seen as is, um, you know, it's kind of just like anywhere in the West.
Unknown_00: The correct answer to win over the audience is to say that all the trainees go to the Uyghur prisons, be de-transitioned.
Unknown_02: Well, you know,
Unknown_02: This is about to happen.
Unknown_00: Doesn't China have anti-degeneracy shit, though?
Unknown_02: Yeah, it does.
Unknown_02: In general. Nothing aimed at the LGBT community. Well, usually when people talk about the LGBT, that includes all the weird kink shit.
Unknown_02: But I mean, doesn't everyone have that weird kink shit?
3:31:06
Unknown_00:
No, it's mostly faggots.
Unknown_02: What do you mean? What specifically?
Unknown_00: Like, if you're somebody who eats shit out of the toilet, you're almost always gay.
Unknown_02: Really? Yes. Or German?
Unknown_00: No, gay German. Germans have lots of gays, too.
Unknown_00: Like, if you look at a map of where furries are in the world, it's like Germany. Oh, in Germany? Yeah, that's what happens when you go into a country, you kill all the strong and then you leave the weak to breed. You get a generation of furries.
3:31:43
Unknown_00:
No, they don't get sent to re-education camps with the Uyghurs.
Unknown_02: While government policy is a certain way, that doesn't mean that it doesn't make room for private enterprise.
Unknown_03: Now, there is a lot, and you can probably look up plenty of documentaries on YouTube of private enterprises.
Unknown_03: having essentially like those re-education camps for things like LGBT and even internet addiction stuff. And a lot of them, I think they still use in some of those private commercial enterprises, they still use like electrotherapy and stuff like that. But obviously, it's up to your family members to send you there.
3:32:25
Unknown_00:
Well, I mean, I just get the feeling like again, I've never been there. But I get the feeling that if you did some some like some of the shit like we watched a video yesterday, where Dom dominatrix would lead men around dressed in horse outfits, like like a chariot, right?
Unknown_02: Okay, and I just get the feeling that if they ever did that in China every single one of them would end up in a psychiatric hospital for the rest of their lives to be treated for the degeneracy.
3:33:03
Unknown_00:
You mean in public? Yes.
Unknown_02: Um, no, there was recently there was a girl in Shanghai who rode a horse around the city in a dominatrix costume.
Unknown_02: No, a man, a human being pulling the chariot by their mouth.
Unknown_00: It's not a horse, it's a man in a horse costume.
Unknown_03: Yeah, look, they'll do something about it. But the actual result isn't anywhere near as bad. The police will probably stop them after because it's starting to cause a public focus. So the police will probably just tell them to stop it. They won't throw them in jail. It's just like the chick who rode a horse in a dominatrix uniform. The police, after a couple of hours of her riding on the street, police told her to stop and she did. And it'd be the same.
3:33:35
Unknown_03:
with a guy pulling a horse-drawn chariot. Oh, sorry, a guy pulling a man-drawn chariot around the streets of China. The police will probably catch on and just tell, hey, you know, stop this, you fucking idiot. What's wrong with you?
Unknown_00: I just realized that my timer said an hour and a half. It's actually been three and a half hours.
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Unknown_00:
I had to refresh.
Unknown_03: Since what?
Unknown_00: It's 1 a.m. my time, since we started talking. Oh, fuck, since we started?
Unknown_02: We've been talking for three and a half hours?
Unknown_00: Yeah, my timer said for an hour and a half.
Unknown_00: the lights in there.
3:34:40
Unknown_02:
And it's not often that you get, like I haven't found that many people who are sort of like me that are westernized, but still very central in both ways.
Unknown_03: Like I know a lot about both cultures. Usually people who are around here are like the ABCs, like the Australian born or the American born Chinese, where they're very Western or they're kind of fobs, where they're just fresh off the boat and still very Chinese. I kind of live in, I kind of edge between both worlds, if you know what I mean. And I'm quite familiar with both.
Unknown_00: You know, I definitely like sharing what I know. And people are very angry about the animals.
Unknown_02: Which animals? All of them, I guess?
3:35:22
Unknown_00:
Yeah, why do you murder all the animals and snort their bones and dust to get hard?
Unknown_02: I guess the exact reason, to get hard.
Unknown_00: Oh, okay, last question.
Unknown_00: Does the Chinese government promote herbal medicine, traditional medicine, to keep people from wanting real medicine?
Unknown_02: They definitely promote traditional medicine. Not to keep people from wanting real medicine, because you can get real medicine.
Unknown_03: The poor can't. You can get any medicine. The poor can't.
3:36:00
Unknown_03:
Yeah, they can. Like literally buy antibiotics over the counter in China, which is really fucking bad, which is really fucking bad.
Unknown_03: You know, literally you can buy antibiotics really cheaply over the counter in China, which is actually fucking terrible.
Unknown_03: This is why you're discovering the world's first, like, basically antibiotic resistant, you know,
Unknown_03: Stream of bacteria and stuff if you find you they found it in China and they found one in Russia But this is why it's because you can just buy antibiotics over-the-counter. But yeah, you can buy pretty much anything And it's very cheap.
3:36:34
Unknown_00:
That's bullshit. It's not a bluff or the poor fucking die. They can't afford They just know they just buy they just buy it. They don't make any money. Oh
Unknown_03: Yeah, they can. Medicine's cheap in China. They'll probably just die if they caught cancer, because cancer's fucking expensive anywhere.
Unknown_03: But if they have a cold, if they have a headache, if they need some antibiotics, they just buy it over the counter. Basically, anything that's still within the patent period is expensive, right? Anything that's not is fucking hella cheap, because the Indians and the Chinese and the fucking whatever are all making it.
3:37:11
Unknown_03:
Like Tylenol. You know, that costs like nothing.
Unknown_03: Most antibiotics cost like nothing.
Unknown_00: I don't know. I get the feeling that the government promotes herbal medicine because if people started demanding like... No, it doesn't.
Unknown_03: No, because people like... There's big enough demand for everything. The government does promote herbal medicine probably as a... Probably because one, they believe it all. Look, there is some truth in herbal medicine.
3:37:49
Unknown_03:
Some are just crackpots, others not.
Unknown_03: But there is some validity in it, like scientifically. But I guess the government mostly do it to preserve culture.
Unknown_00: Somebody I said that was the last question. I lied somebody paid $2 to ask you. What do you think about black men? Or what do they think of me personally?
Unknown_03: No Once again one of those multifaceted questions so but I can tell you what okay, so some people think Okay, so an overall
3:38:25
Unknown_03:
Thought is that they smell bad like black people generally smell bad You can sort of if a black person sits in the in the subway in China Have you ever seen those pictures of like the black guy like?
Unknown_00: Women are like holding their noses and leaning away Like they'll move a couple of seats away or they hold their noses That's an overall thing now black men in in
Unknown_03: specifically in China, like, you know, black people in general, they're seen as stinky, they're seen as sometimes violent.
Unknown_03: Black men in China, once again, with anything, you know, some of the Chinese, local Chinese women like it, others not. That's the same in the US though, you know.
3:39:07
Unknown_03:
I mean, I'm sure you can go into Pornhub and you can find a million people.
Unknown_00: Don't remind me. I don't need to be reminded of the death of the West. I'm already fucking there. I'm already sad.
Unknown_02: So what do I think about Black Man in particular?
Unknown_02: You know, some good, some bad.
Unknown_00: There would be no China without the Communist Party.
Unknown_00: If they can sing that song perfectly, they can get around in China.
Unknown_02: Oh yeah, some become popular, you know, minor celebrities.
3:39:43
Unknown_00:
All right, anything else you can think of?
Unknown_02: Three, we're almost four hours, aren't we? Jesus Christ.
Unknown_00: Yes.
Unknown_00: I didn't realize that going on so long, to be honest.
Unknown_02: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just an interesting conversation, if anything.
Unknown_00: Well, hopefully people found that. I think the chat's been fucking apocalyptic for most of that. I again, you know, it's just like
Unknown_00: It's just like, you know, even in shitholes like Saudi Arabia and fucking you think you think places like Ukraine and Saudi Arabia and China would just be the worst places to live. But for day to day life, like I've been to many different countries. It's not all it really has. It's not been too many. You know, they know the quote unquote shitholes. yeah yeah life day-to-day life is basically all the fucking same if you have enough money to get by and like the u.s you have enough money to get by anywhere and your your quality of life basically doesn't change if anything go into a poor country give up like the the surveillance and shit like that's that's just not my problem
3:40:24
Unknown_00:
It's not my problem. It'll get here eventually, but for now, it's not my problem. And if I wanted to go to China and make money in China, I think the doors are open enough to do that, as long as I'm willing to play the games.
3:40:58
Unknown_00:
Yeah, yeah.
Unknown_03: Don't play Edgeball like Dolce and Gabbana did.
Unknown_00: Yeah.
Unknown_00: All right. Well, thank you. Thank you, my friend, for talking and dealing with the abuse of the internet.
Unknown_03: I haven't actually been reading any of the comments. I don't have the, I've got the stream just sitting there, but I haven't been really paying attention.
Unknown_04: All right.
Unknown_03: I only, I only see the questions that, that, that get paid basically because they're big and blue. All right.
3:41:37
Unknown_00:
Oh, I guess take it easy. I'm going to play my outro song if you want to hear it.
Unknown_02: Yeah, let's do it.
Unknown_00: And let's see what's the name of this is Jai Tian Xiao place of appointment, apparently the English.
Unknown_00: All right.
Unknown_00: Take it easy, guys.
3:42:56
Unknown_06:
No matter if it rains or snows tomorrow, or where we go in the future, I want to keep listening to the dawn, and keep listening to you tell me. No matter how far the road is, no matter how long the time is, we will eventually go.
3:43:50
Unknown_06:
No matter how far the road is No matter how long the time is
3:44:53
Unknown_06:
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